Do you think Nintendo should drop their whole Seniority system?

[Michael-5]

orniletter said:

Michael-5 said:

 

Again, I'm not saying 3DW will be a bad game, just more of the same. I know Mario isn't as recycled as COD, but I think it needs more diversity, more creativity and innovation, like the older games.

I will concentrate on this aspect.

Like the older games.

What  innovation happened between Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World ? Map screen ? more power ups ?

Those were refinements of the formula.

The leap to 3D can only be done a single time. What happened afterwards ? Refinements. Again. and. Again , super Mario Galaxy 1&2 are the best plarformers of all time, but they didn´t innovate, the gravity stuff was neat, the level design curb stomped every single 3D platformer out there

....but it didn´t redefine and change the industry forever (what innovation actually means)

 

Super Mario 3D World on the other hand is the first 3D Platformer that can be played with 4 people in multiplayer.

How is this not innovation in contrast to Sunshine´s horrible Fludd ?

SMB to Super Mario World -> Yoshi gameplay, damn awesome. More power ups, spin jumps, flying, obstacles in levels like Bullet Bill, and the levels themselves got a lot more complex. The World map had hidden stages too, many of which permanently altered levels in the game.

Okay, I get your point about refining Mario, but I also think refining is an improper term because older Mario games weren't as one directional as they are now. For instance Yoshi's Island is Super Mario World 2, but you never play as Mario. This is technically Mario, but it became its own franchise later. Luigi got his first game on the SNES as well, however I'll admit that Luigi's Mansion was a genuinly newer style of game. Since then, what has Nintendo done to Mario, except make it more of the same?

3D World is the first 2D Mario with co-op, okay, but this isn't new. New Super Mario Bros U has 4 player co-op, and Super Mario 64 DS was a 3D Mario which allowed you to play as other characters.

Fludd was bad, and it actually adds to my point. Of the 2 different style Mario games in the last 20 years, how is it only 1/2 are good? 1 good new Mario idea in 20 years, I think Miyamoto needs to let other people come up with ideas.