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S.T.A.G.E. on 29 August 2013
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enrageorange said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
enrageorange said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
okr said:
Because without Kinect 2.0 it would rival PS4 as the most boring, most predictable next-gen console.


Why does everyone forget that the PSEye is optional with the Move? The Xbox and Playstation have been at parity in offerings since the Xbox was created. They have a tug of war over services and peripherals because MS is going after the same crowd Sony commanded.

 


The Kinect and Move were created to combat the Wii? Yes to the Kinect, for sure. The Eyetoy existed two years before the Wii ever came out, so technically Sony wasn't copying Nintendo, but rather upgrading their product for the next generation. Microsoft took Sonys seconds when they bought Primesense, whom Sony had turned down because they had no answer for tracking 1:1 in a 3D realm without making your games seem like a simple minigame. Sony had been developing the Move since 2004, but the Wii helped influence their industrial design decisions for the secondary camera tracked peripheral. The vid doc is up on Youtube. 

No one saw the eyetoy and said hey, we need to be able to compete with that or we are losing a ton of potential customers.  On the other hand nintendo risked their entire console's success with their motion controls and because they succeeded sony and microsoft had to at least try to compete with the wii. Things are prototyped all the time without ever seeing release. Imagine if the wii ended up being a huge failure and showed that no one wanted motion control gaming. Guess what device would have forever stayed a prototype. The wii was revolutionary, and the move just seems like a cash in considering how abbysmal support has been for the platform. It seems like Sony just wanted to sell a bunch of prepherials at a profit and forget that the device ever existed. It doesn't matter who started developing what first. It matters who took the big risk and was successful with the product first.

As for your comment about Microsoft taking seconds. Judging by the success of the kinect and the current irrelevancy of the move, it just sounds like Sony made a terrible decision when they decided to turn down Primesense. They basically allowed the xbox 360 to have a second life and stay relevent for an extra 3 to 4 years when they could have ended up easily winning the generation had they incorperated and advertised the kinect into the playstation 3 platform as well as microsoft did so with the 360. Turning a design down that ends up being successful is just bad news for the company that turned it down.

 

Your problem with the Move or the Eyetoy is that of a marketing issue. The forerunner tech for the Kinect was the Eyetoy. If Sony would've said yes to Primesense there would be no Kinect.

Secondly, to bolster the point about bad marketing. Tell me the last time last gen that you saw PS2's with eyeboys with special areas in a Best Buy or large department? I've never seen it. When the Kinect came out Microsoft had it at Macy's. It wasn't really even on the news or anything about Sony just makes the tech and provides the possibilities but doesn't market it. Know where I found the Eyetoy last gen? On the bottom shelf in a Best Buy after I had played it at a friends house. Thats the perfect marketing strategy. Kinect tech is powerful as a camera but for gaming its stuck in minigame hell because of its finite 3D realm awareness. Its fun for simple things though, I'm sure.