JWeinCom said:
The idea of Superman struggling to adjust to Earth is a silly idea that, to the best of my knowledge, isn't really addressed in the comics. The thing about Superman is that... he's freaking Superman. He's not a grounded or down to Earth hero like Batman or Spider-man. He's above it all. He doesn't need to feel angst about fitting in with the humans, beccause he's Superman. There is no need to feel insecure when you're superior in pretty much every way. I don't think this is a realistic version of someone like Superman growing up. Realistic would be a guy who's positively oozing with confidence and probably has a kind of pompous air about him. If anything, Superman would be a bit more like Thor was in Thor and Avengers. Not every hero has to be an angsty loner. *Spoilers from here on out.* The idea of making Superman struggle to deal with his powers is an attempt to deal with the problem of Superman. As in, how do you make a nearly invulnrable super hero interesting. So they kind of manufactured a weakness, but this isn't necessary. Superman DOES have a "weakness" that people seem to overlook (no not magic). With great power comes great responsibility. It's a Spider-man line, but it still applies here. Superman's power is infinitely greater than Spiderman's, so his responsibility is also infinitely greater. It's not enough for Superman to beat the villan and save the day. He needs to beat the villain, save the day, and make sure that every damn person in Metropolis is spared. And as powerful and fast as he is, Superman can't be in two places at once. He can't save every single person. Of course, there is always collateral damage, but because of his overwhelming power and the responsibility, Superman takes this harder than other heroes. This burden is the weakness I'm talking about. Spider-man will obviously feel bad if bystanders are killed, and while he'll wonder if he could have saved them, eventually he'll accept that he is only human and be able to move on and vow to do better. Superman can't really do that, because he is not only human. What's good enough for another hero is not good enough for him. That's one of the things they got right about returns. Yeah, there was a lot of silliness and stupid elements, but a lot of the movie centered around Superman stuggling to save every single person from disaster after disaster. And that brings me to the problem with Man of Steel. Superman doesn't really seem to give a shit. Throughout his big battle with Zod and the other Kryptonians, Superman acts with reckless abandon. He just smashes them all over, making no real effort to minimize collateral damage. Superman doesn't make a particularly strong attempt to get the dangerous psycopaths who are after him AWAY from the city filled with people. He punches people through buildings, blows up cars upon cars, and hurls bodies around with little care of where they came from. If we take Superman's character from the comics, how do you think he would feel as he stands in a city that has been almost completely obliterated by people who would have never come to Earth if not for him? Would he feel like he failed? Would he feel responsible? Would he feel guilty? Would he be distraught? For Superman letting one civilian die would be a tragedy. The thousands who died in the movie would be considered a total failure on his part. How does Man of Steel Superman react to this tragedy? He makes out with Lois in the rubble and makes a lame joke without giving a thought to the carnage. This isn't Superman. If Nolan wants to write a script for an uber powerful outsider, he could do that. If Snyder wants to make disaster porn, he could do wthat. But, don't strap a character that doesn't fit to that. It's like making God of War IV: Starring Kirby. That is my main problem with the movie, but there are plenty of others... For example... 1. Did Pa Kent really tell Clark to let a bus of kids die? For fuck's sake, really? I get that keeping the secret identiy is important but that's just heartless. This is the man trying to teach Superman humanity? 2. Why was Lois on the spaceship besides for plot purposes? The kryptonians were able to get all the info they needed from Superman's mind anyway. 3. After leaving the space ship, Supes lands right by his house. Then promptly leaves. Uhhhh... So Superman, think the Kryptonians might have seen you land there and may come to the farm where your mom is? For a guy with a super brain, not so smart. 4. If a guy is firing lasers out of his eyes in a crowded room, twisting his head in a circle is probably the worst thing you could do. 5. Zod wants to terraform the Earth to make it more like Krypton? Wait, didn't Jorrel explain how much more nourishing Earth's atmosphere was? 6. Zod needs to destroy all of humanity rather than try to adjust to Earth's atmosphere. By the end of the movie he is fighting without a breather on equal terms with the Earth raised Superman. So, seems like he adjusted without even commiting genocide. It took about 2 hours. 7. By the way, isn't Superman's power, and therefore his discomfort, a result of the yellow sun anyway? Is this terraforming really necessary or useful? 8. Lois just comes off as a bitch. Just saying. 9. Wait... so all of the Kryptonians who were cut off from Krypton died? Are you kidding me? Any Kryptonian in a yellow son system should have not only survived but freaking thrived. And if all the Kryptonians on other worlds struggled so much why does Clark seem to be doing fine? How is the galaxy not ruled by Kryptonians by now. 10. Ok... so Superman shoots down a satelite so that they can't find out where he "hangs his cape". Two seconds later, he casually mentions he's from Kansas. Thanks for narrowing it down to one sparsely populated state. If Lois can narrow down his identity in about a week with nothing but google and a smart phone, I think the US army will figure you out clark. |
He is only angst to fit in when all these abilities kick in out of nowhere during his childhood...plus you got to take into account that he doesn't have a single ancestor that had to adjust to such abilities...so it is NOT second nature to him.
The comic books never really covered his childhood much...it's like the gap between batman age 8 & adult, before someone in 1987 created the origins of Batman's skills.
Superman never was cocky nor full of himself like Thor, so either way that's just asking to go agianst the superman comics.
Plus Superman was full of confidence when he dawn on the suit, but as a kid he was just a kid who just wanted frieñds and to have fun, like any other kid.
Spoilers from here on out:
Being a loner was just him trying to find out what he should do with his life when he has all these unique abilities, plus he had just let his father die just so he could just find the right way to reveal what he can do to the world someday, so he is not just going to screw over what Jonathan Kent died for.
Even in Smallville (series), superman struggles with X-Ray & hearing and so fort, so it is not even a new concept to superman.
Superman is a rookie and has never been a hero outside of saving kids from a easy school bus to just push out of the water. It's hard to fight bad guys with such great power to equal your own when you have never fought in your life...he's from a farm and doesn't know what to do in such a situation, and he does try to minimize the damage in the small town but has no experience and is doing the best he can with no clue on how to even begin to try to handle the situation.....he's a rookie and is just trying to the best of his abili, when he doesn't even really have a grasp on his powers to do full force....this is e weakest suited superman I have ever seen, but he has no clue of just how strong he has become growing on earth.
The black hole didn't kill anyone, they where just sent to another dimension.
Superman has super sight and hearing and X-Ray, so he knows where he threw the Villians. Remember, he grew up his whole life with these abilities.
1): Jonathan Kent said he maybe should have let them die, but then he said that he did the right thing though.
2): lois was on the ship, because since Superman activated the beacon' that meant that he could have learn how to not be successfully probed by Kryptonians, plus the useful knowledge they got from Lois was the exact same useful knowledge they got from superman, so if superman had learned how to not be probe by his biological father or something else on the ship, then they still would have gotten the same useful knowledge that later turned out to be 100% useless. But thanks to the blood sample they learned that every cell in his body was of an entire kryptonian's blood.
3): he clearly knew that his people didn't care about where his mom lived, because why would his advance race care about an earthling, when they are clearly there for a reason that either has to do with his space ship or the one he found or the key with the S or something else that might have something to do with his biological father or something else Kryptonians, especially when they where only asking for him.
4): I agree, but it looked like he clearly thought it thru before doing it, since he really didn't want to kill Zod. So it seems like he knew the right way to go thru with it, especially with all the time he had while he was trying his best to prevent Zod from harming those people while he had him in a headlock.
5) & 6): they didn't care about advance strength & speed, they where only taking advantage of the lower gravity to help them while the humans where still around, since they where planning to terraform the planet, which earthlings can't survive on Krypton's planet. They wanted their home planet back and this was the best they could do' and it would have been the same except for a younger sun, which would only give them bonus abilities that non of them was even aware of. And the strength & speed they automatically got what sun exposure thanks to the suits blocking the rays of then sun, anyways they didn't care for extraodinary strength & speed, they are an advance race that just sees it as a toy that will no longer work as they would have gotten use to the gravity and become weaker in the universe for exploring other planets. Zod first time exposure was an accindent and hurt like hell, he never wanted to go back to that agianst. But he remember what superman said about honing senses and he now had a new helmet, so he could always put it back on by thinking it, if he couldn't have adopted...it was curiousity with no real risk. Plus Zod explained that he was rised since a child to honed all his senses to be the most elite warrior of Krypton (because their people are pre-determined to what they will grow up to be before they are even born, as already explained in the movie too), Superman unfortunately learned how to hone his senses on a farm by people who knew nothing on how to do so, as Zod made fun of Superman when he insulted about where did he learned how to hone his senses, on a farm (semi-accurate quote: "I was raised my whole life since I was a child to hone in all of my senses to be a warrior, where did you learned to hone your senses, on a farm")
7): they didn't terraform the planet to be normal, they did it to bring krypton back since the original home world was destroy, they where home sick since they awiken from the destruction of their planet, as you saw the female Villian cry during the flashback. Plus they didn't know that the sun would do anything to them, and after Zod, it could have been assumed that the nourishing atmosphere was to blame for Zod going thru all that pain.
9): they didn't die, they ended up back in the phantom zone, which is where all life forms & things go to when they get sucked in by a black hole in this movie.
More 9): I don't know exactly what you mean by the rest of that. Please explain in more detail.
10): it's not a satalite, but a drone, like the ones in the middle east in real life. He only mention he was from Kansas to 2 people, and the woman is not going to tell, and the guy will obviously be trustworthy too, since he is left in this movie to try to get people to believe that Superman is not a threat to America's interest. Superman even says that he will just have to trust him then. Lois never revealed the phony names he used, and she only knew of one of them by being with him which is the only thing that made it possible for her to back-track the other phony names he had lived under...plus her sources where willing to talk when superman was a nobody, but now they won't let anyone know of what name nor if he ever was there under each phony name and just deny it now, because Clark is now the great hero Superman who is always going to save earthlings every chance he can.
