Microsoft: Xbone Is 3x As Powerful Than X360 (Phil Spencer Twitter: It Was A Mistake)

[Michael-5]

HoloDust said:

Michael-5 said:

I don't think I said there was "barely any improvement", I said the GFLOPS is 9x as much, but the speed gain isn't as much.

Model	Launch	Codename	Fab (nm)	Transistors (Million)	Die Size (mm2)	Businterface	Memory (MiB)	Clock rate	Config core1	Fillrate	Memory	GFLOPS (Single-precision)	TDP3 (W)	GFLOPS/W (Single-precision)	GFLOPS (Double-precision)	Release Price (USD)
Core (MHz)	Memory (MHz)	Pixel (GP/s)	Texture (GT/s)	Bandwidth (GB/s)	Bus type2	Bus width (bit)	Idle	Max.

Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition	Mar 19, 2012	Pitcairn XT	2800	212	PCIe 3.0 ×16	2048	1000	1200	1280:80:32	32	80	153.6	GDDR5	256	2560	10	175	14.629	160	$350

Model	Launch	Code name	Fab (nm)	Bus interface	Memory (MiB)	Core clock (MHz)	Memory clock (MHz)	Core config1	Fillrate	Memory
MOperations/s	MPixels/s	MTextels/s	MVertices/s	Bandwidth (GB/s)	Bus type	Bus width (bit)

GeForce 7800 GS	February 2, 2006	G70	110	AGP 8x	256	375	1200	16:8:16:8	6000	3000	6000	562.5	38.4	GDDR3	256

As you can see, the Core clock rate is only a 3x improvement in the PS4. In comparision to the 9x improvement inGFLOPS, a 3x improvment in Clock Speed isn't much. I don;t understand why 2-3 people quoted me and laughed, do I have my facts wrong?

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Like I showed above, it's only a 3x improvement. Still big, but not crazy compared to the FLOPS increase of 9x.

I think it's the way I say things, people get offended. PS4 is obviously a pretty powerful system, I'm just saying it's not a huge jump, just big. From PS2 -> PS3 it was like a 25x in performance, now from PS3 ->PS4 it's about 9x, and the Clock Speed is only 3x of a jump. 3x < 9x < 25x, lol.

@bold Oh boy, you really don't know much about hardware, do you?

BTW, RSX is gimped 7800GTX with memory bandwidth of 7600GT, and its core clock is 550MHz. PS4's GPU runs at 800MHz - I'm just hoping you won't make any additional conclusions based on core clocks. ;) <--- These are lower then the speeds which I have quoted above.

Jump from 6th to 7th gen, contrary to what most people are led to believe, is around 10x, pretty much the same as objective jump from 7th to 8th gen - actually, Mark Rein from Epic Games stated this on PS4's reveal in February (Mark Cerny confirmed "at least 10x" in Fallon's show). Problem is, subjective jump is not as big, due to length of current gen - for it to be same as subjective jump in previous gen it should've been somewhere around 16x, which would call for 7950 Boost to 7970 level GPU...which is completely unreasonable, due to gfx cards not progressing in last few years as fast as they used to.

I do admit, I'm not a computer whiz, my current computers are a laptop which runs off linex because it woun't boot a windows bios after i shorted the motherboard, and a 10 year old Pentium 4.

Still, I don't think I'm saying anything that's false.

How was the PS3 only a 10x jump from PS2? I read that the PS2 only processed data at a rate of 6.2 GFLOPS. PS3's theoretical limit is 230 GFLOPS, that's almost a 40x jump (but once you contribute things like clock speed, and bus width, it's more like 25-30x from what I read).

Anyway, Microsoft themselves say the One is 8-10x better then the 360. PS3 was already more powerful then the 360, so PS4 being 9x better then PS3 puts PS4 a little better then the One (which is is), and in agreeance with Microsofts statements.

CGI-Quality said:

HoloDust said:

Pemalite said:

Michael-5 said:

The new GPU isn't that much faster then the one in PS3. Yes it's more effiecient, but it has to be when the speed barely improves, and the CPU is sourced from a laptop, and something like only 5x as powerful and 1.5x as fast. I know you can't measure brute power by spec alone, but when the majority of components only see 3-5x improvements, and the GPU and RAM alone see greater improvements, it's hard to argue that the PS4 is 9x or more powerful.

I can't beleive I just read that.
A Geforce 7800 class GPU is not that much slower than a Radeon 7850 class GPU?

I know, I was also in "is this guy for real?" state when I've read it.

"Ignorance is bliss" I suppose...

Indeed, but all you can do is educate and hope it sinks in one day.

Don't be sore CGI, I expect better from you.

You claim over 15x, then agree with me, then change your mind, and now you're sore because I kept track of how you claim to be right all 3 times, but argue 3 different power figures? Then you quote people to disagree with me on something complete unrelated and attempt to demean me? Did I start to demean you when you were blatently incorrect about PS4 specs?

PS4 GPU clocks speed is only 3x faster then PS3's, I wasn't wrong when I said that, and the evidence is above.

It's one thing to be wrong in a debate and not conceding, it's another to start boosting intelligence over others when you have no reason to do so.