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goopy20 on 07 May 2013
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snowdog said:
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
G911turbo brings up a VERY important point again that I raised in my original post in this thread. Both the PS4 and 720 are going to struggle to sell worse than the Wii U has done during the launch window due to much higher price points.

The latest rumour, which sounds credible, is that the 720 is going to have 2 SKUs - one priced at $299.99 with a 2 year subscription commitment to Live Gold for $15 per month so you're looking at $660 in total and the second SKU being $499.99 without the Live Gold commitment so you'll need to add the Live Gold subscription, which you should be able to pick up much cheaper.

Then you've got Sony continuing to ignore what made the PS2 so successful and what's made the PS3, PSP and Vita less successful. They've gone for an expensive and powerful box again - a console with 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU pushing 1.8TFlops isn't going to be cheap before you even start to think about the controller and dual cameras in the camera bar. We'll probably be looking at $499.99 for the PS4 too.

And if that wasn't enough to cause them both problems given the current financial climate, both consoles are going to be supply constrained even if they do sell.

And then you've got the possibility of the rumours of always online and no used games for the 720 being true which I know, going by the reactions on various other forums I frequent, is going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Lets just assume the engineers at Sony know what the hell they are doing when they chose to stuff 8 gigs of very expensive ram in there. Keep in mind the ps4 uses a new type of APU that takes the unified ram priciple to a whole new level.



You could say the same thing about the hardware in the PS3, PSP and Vita as I've already mentioned. It's very rare for the most powerful console to win a generation, because said consoles tend to have a lower adoption rate due to a higher retail price compared to its less powerful competition. I just can't understand Sony's thinking when planning these things tbh. There's absolutely no sense in it.

Like I've said previously, if Nintendo cut the price of the Wii U in October by $50 and 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 are released at the same time we could be looking at the Basic SKU being half the price of the PS4 and 720. With the far superior stable of system selling software compared to both Sony and especially Microsoft I can't see the PS4 and 720 catching up let alone overtaking the Wii U's sales.

You can't just say expensive hardware never wins a console generation, the most defining factor is the support a console gets. Sony has never had this problem and totally dominated for 2 console generations. Sure, this gen they got cocky and messed up when they tried to force developers to sweat bullets in order to make the cell work, but they probably didn't expect the 360 to take off the way it did, else we would have seen a lot more 20 gig games this gen.

Still, they managed to get their shit together and played catch-up with MS. Sony has a lot of momentum going right now and they seems to have learned their lesson. The ps4 has pretty awesome hardware, the support of every major developer on the planet combined with the biggest stable of 1st party developers and even if it's to expensive at launch then it will probably cost 299,- a year later.