Indie games are mostly trash (Caution, rant)

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theprof00 said:

curl-6 said:

Good ideas aren't dependent on budget, there's no reason Indie devs can't make a game as good as something like Mass Effect. (World of Goo is) Indie devs aren't held back from creating greatness by money or manpower, just their own talent, or lack thereof.

I'm not holding them to the same graphical standards. Graphics and production values don't determine a game's value, enjoyable gameplay does, and that's where the poverty excuse just doesn't fly.

I don't really care if they win awards, or sell more, or if others like them. They're entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to my opinion that they are 98% faecal matter.

I've found you win far more friends by being accepting than by being critical. It's always good to have high standards, but the fact that you use the words "high standards" is as much of the problem as you having them. It is not 'high standards' that you have, it's that you enjoy a highly polished, mainstream, involved kind of game. That has nothing to do with standards.

Standards would involve reaching a certain level of excellence, and unfortunately for your argument, awards do prove that.

I'm tired of avoiding conflictand only saying nice things, honestly. Criticism is not inherently bad. If we only ever talked about the things we liked and approved of, this forum would get awfully boring.

It's high standards not because I consider them better than anyone else's, but because I find I reject the vast majority of games as undesirable to me. High as in only the games that rate the highest with me get my time. That doesn't make me elitist, it simply means I have different set of requirements of games to the majority.

Awards only prove a game is popular with one organization or group of people. Game quality is subjective, it cannot be proven.