Did Nintendo screw us?

[68soul]

Onyxmeth said:

How about this? Forget the PS2. Both the Xbox and the Gamecube had better third party support in their first 1 year and 4 months. The point I was making about shovelware wasn't that it was bad, or abundant, but that this time around, it was actually affecting third parties decisions on how much effort they'll actually put into this console. Here's Gamecube straight up against the Wii on third parties from Metacritic:

Gamecube/Wii

90-99= 9/1

80-89= 30/9

70-79= 43/29

60-69= 41/46

0-59= 42/67

Even the Gamecube, which was famous for bad third party support and was the third best selling console last gen beats out the Wii in quality. Nintendo was coming off of strained relationships with many third parties after the N64. You can argue that GC games were easily ported from PS2 and you'd be correct. That's also a problem that Nintendo brought upon themselves when they decided to not compete graphically with the other two consoles. Do I feel Nintendo deserves the whole blame? No. Do they deserve some of it? Yes.

My point with the mentioned third parties is that they still have many projects for the other two consoles into 2009. When does the Wii finally get some of those developers' time? 2009? 2010? If you want to say 2008, you can, but it would be hard to back up at that point with any releases scheduled so far. Just because the Wii is getting slightly better with third party support does not mean it's getting or will be getting what it deserves. The winning console has always had the most shovelware AND the most quality titles. I can see how the Wii will have the most shovelware, but what proof does anyone have at this point that it will also have the most quality titles?

 

 

This is gettin' ridiculous: you just can't compare a console with a five year library with another which is only 16 months old, and with a brighter future ahead...

On the GC, we've only got a few exclusive third parties, à la Baten Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, etc... and other good 3rd parties games were multiplatform, Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia, etc...

But c'mon, how could you state the Wii won't have many great exclusive titles in a near future? Have you seen the thread i already mentioned in my earlier post here?

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=14526

We don't know if all of these games will be AAA, or just good or average... but most will certainly not be shovelware, that's for sure... and it's only a beginning, wer're in february 2008 !

If you look at the X360 history, didn't you notice its first year was not THAT great? It was in its second year that many good games came out... at least for the FPS lovers... 

And if you look at the PS2 history, most of the really best and impressive games have been released between 2004 and 2007, when 3rd parties finally knew exactly how to get the best out of it... and i don't even mention the PS1 in its first years...

We all know the Gamecube was superior to the PS2, and Wii is superior to Cube, so after now one or two years, some devs will find the way to get the best out of it... sure, it won't be in 1080p... but nice graphics in 480p with a smooth framerate may already look very nice, even more with some "artistic" design, so what? Where's the problem?

Till now, most of the first 3rd party Wii games didn't push the hardware, because....

1) Nobody knew the Wii would have such a success, so small budgets for the early Wii titles...

2) Devs were so busy figuring out how to program for such a different console that they didn't take the usual available time for the game design and the graphics quality only... they had to make things too fast with a small crew...

3) They've released crappy games for easy cash-in (which i hope they didn't get)...

Now, they have the time, now, they know the hardware a little better (no experience on the Cube for most of them)... now they have more pro tools in their hands to make it easier... and maybe they'll have a correct budget too... and now they know the Wii will be a success, with a very large userbase... so just as with PS2, the graphics will improve over the years, and we will have many excellent games...

If the 100 million Sony userbase was satisfied with the games they had for the last 10 years, the Wii userbase has already all the reasons to be satisfied with the actual quality, which can only get better and better, on the graphics side as on the controls side...

I think most of the answers you got in that thread show you the way most Wii owners feel, and i really think you should trust us... or forget about the Wii if you're really allergic or so negative about it...