Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:
People love to point out how unprofitable PS3 was and how it lost Sony billions, but the same can be said of Xbox 360.(but to a lesser extent)
No one can deny that the XBox 360 made more money than the PS3....it still doesn't change the fact that the console lost Microsoft billions of dollars just like the PS3 did for Sony. People seem to forget that the XBox 360 was also sold at a big loss then there was that RROD thing....
Kinect might have been profitable but those 24million weren't sold as stand-alone devices. Many of these were bundled and made little to no profit. Sure Xbox LIve Gold subscriptions have made Microsoft tons of money, there's no denying that....but they also have servers to maintain and with all the video services they've been adding lately, these costs have probably have increased exponentially since launch. The point is that despite all the profitable parts of the Xbox 360 business, overall they still lost money.
Then there's all this "little stuff" that adds up such as the timed-exclusive deals. They paid $75million to make GTA IV a Day 1 multiplatform title + timed exlcusive DLC. Who knows how much they're paying Activsion for that timed-exclusive COD DLC. How much did they spend on those exclusive JRPGs?
Also there's also those billions of dollars Microsoft went through to introduce the first XBox. Microsoft bought their way into this business and they continued to do it with the Xbox 360. Has the Xbox business even broken even yet? No wonder they are chasing after entertainment apps and services over gaming. This business costs more than its worth.
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The bolded bits are the most important bits of your post, for what were talking about. Making more money or losing less money. Either way, its more successful as a product . Especially when its held sustained profits.
And also because you brought the original Xbox into this... You forget to point outthat the true PS3 losses are hidden behind the PS2 and PSP profits from the same Years. The division had losses of 1.2 Billion and 2 Billion, if I remember correctly, while the PS2 was selling stupidly well and the PSP was hitting its stride. The 360 lost the same on one console that wasnt hidden behind 2 others.
The other bits are pointless, because all of them do it. All of them pay for exclusives. We just dont know how much each of them pay out for the deals...
S.T.A.G.E. said:
So you're saying if Sony didnt have the extra year they wouldn't be ahead of Microsoft? They are competing for the same crowd with relatively 90% of the same games. If Sony had launched with the 360 with the sales they have now they would've been six to eight million ahead of Microsoft.
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No, Im not saying that. Im not talking about "if". Im talking about right now. Not some alternate reality, S.T.A.G.E.
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Microsoft does more than any other and that GTA IV deal is proof of that. They probably paid for Final Fantasy XIII multiplatform as well. The thing is that these games were supposed to be at least timed-exclusive to Sony consoles, not because Sony paid for it, but because that's just how good their relationship with Sony was. Look at the upcomign PS4 indie "The Witness". It's a timed-exclusive for PS4 and no money changed hands. Sure there may be times Sony does it, but Microsoft is notorious for it.
Doesn't matter which one is more successful because in the end if we really dig deep they can both be classified as failures.
