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curl-6 on 22 March 2013
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Mazty said:
curl-6 said:
Mazty said:
curl-6 said:

You not grasping that Brawl and NSMBW were massive system sellers shows you don't understand the video game industry.

A whole 1 million units of the most popular console. That is all the systems that can be attributes directly to Brawl. Stop making shit up and start looking at actual figures. This thread has just become you guys repeating the same claim with not a single shred of evidence behind you.

"SSB is a system seller!" Well please, prove it with something called evidence, y'know, facts & figures.

The evidence, the facts and figures, is in Wii hardware sales before and after SSB. And the role SSB has played within the Nintendo fanbase for the last 12 years. The latter is key; you cannot understand the business side without understanding the underlying social mechanics.

But you don't understand that, you look at a weekly bump and fail to comprehend that the real bump was the countless consoles bought BEFORE SSB on the promise of it, and AFTER through word of mouth and people playing at friend's houses then going on to buy it themselves. If you knew how the market worked, you'd know week of release week bumps are an inaccurate way of measuring  how much of a system seller something is, they're merely the tip of an iceberg.


The only sales that could be attributed to SSBB is 1 million consoles, and that's working with the outlandish idea that the peaks show buyers who all bought the wii just for SSBB. After that Mario karts was released so the sales become even more complex. However if we adjust sales to a baseline rate, and then add in the extra units sold, you are talking <1 million consoles for one title alone. Because of this, I don't think any one game will save the Wii U. Several may increase sales for a few months, but ultimately such a scenario didn't guarentee either the N64's or GC's success so why will it this time around?

Do you have a paper or some evidence for this social mechanic? Have you ever been to university because surely you know that just claiming something is so is not evidence - just a premise. 

Actually I do consider the increase in sales before SSBB. Again, the increase totals 1 million consoles - 1 million consoles for a very, very popular console. You literally just have a premise and are screaming that it's right without giving any facts or figures at all. Come on dude, we're not 14, can you please approach this debate as if it was a university question because at the moment my premise of "you're wrong, the spikes are because baby jesus made them do it" is literally just as valid. 

The N64 and GC both made money and defeated at least one of their generational rivals, they weren't really failures.

No ONE game will take a system from 25 million to 50 million, but we're not talking about just SSB but a whole raft of exclusive franchises too.

There probably isn't a published paper on the planet about the workings of Nintendo's userbase, but it's not a mystery to those who've been following this side of industry for a long time. 

You're not presenting any evidence that millions of consoles weren't shifted by Brawl. Its bump is spread for months and months before and especially after its release. And people don't need to buy a system ONLY for SSB to be tipped over the edge by it as a part of a larger library.

Ultimtely neither point can be proven beyond all doubt, and in the absence of that, it falls to common sense and liklihood. It's common sense that 11 million plus selling game from a series with a very large and very devoted fanbase, which was hyped to the moon and back, and widely cited as THE reason to get a Wii in '08,  pushed a huge number of consoles.