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richardhutnik said:
kain_kusanagi said:
richardhutnik said:
kain_kusanagi said:
richardhutnik said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Working or being contracted with the government is NOT the same as being on the government dole.

Welfare Recipient =/= Pensioner

Deadbeat welfare scammer =/= Retired Social Security Recipient

You are dependent on tax dollars.  The sequester is affecting his wallet.  He is doing work for the government and dependent on tax dollars.

If he was't dependent on the government then why would he be affected by the sequester?

That is no different than saying a Walmart employee is dependent on Walmart. That does without saying. I work for county government, but I also hate government waste. I see it every day. So yes I depend on the government for my paycheck that I earn just like a Walmart employee depends on their paycheck. What you're brother is legitimately complaining about are people on the government dole. They don't work, don't want to work and scam their way onto welfare. If only the people who deserve help got it nobody wouldn't complain about government waste. But too many people are getting free money while the rest of us pay the taxes they get welfare from.

A government employees, including service men and women work for their pay and pension. Deadbeat welfare recipients do nothing but hold their hand out for us taxpaying suckers. Depending on a paycheck is NOT the same as being a welfare dependent.

Well, people don't want to pay for work for them to do, and pay them even more money to offset the added costs, if the job market doesn't provide any.  WPA is a political no-no.  So, end result is that the said individuals end up having to do welfare.  The work is not there.  Well, you do have requirements like in NY state that DO have work requirements, or treating work like a full time job.  In NY state, they want people to apply to 40+ jobs a week LOCALLY, and have like at least 10 I believe actually get contact names of managers.

In regards to government employees, or defense contractors, there isn't much else they can do if the cuts come down.  They are to specialized to find work in other sectors.  My brother would have a seriously hard time finding work elsewhere.  Considering how much under water he is now, trying to do what I do now, with a family, and factor in no health coverage, he would be seriously out of luck.  In short, he is dependent on government.  Being dependent doesn't mean you don't have requirements to meet.  The thing is you have no choice BUT to meet those requirements.

You missed my point. You said your brother is on the government dole. He is not. Welfare is being on the government dole. Working for the government is no different than working for a private company. Working means you earn your money. Being on the government dole means you get welfare for NOT contributing to society. Sure there are legit reasons for people to be temporarily on welfare, but that's not the issue. You say your brother complains about those on the dole while being on the dole. That's just not the case.

Good luck translating work for a government  defense contractor into any other sector out there.  He is going to have a very hard time of it, if his specialization is into designing weapons systems and that work isn't available, due to budget cuts.  His livelihood is dependent upon tax dollars.

In regards to the use of the word "dole" in the original post, I was using the term as receiving of tax dollars in some form.  The current definition is usually seen as different than that.  Pardon my using a non-standard definition.  If you were to go Libertarian, excess spending on weapons systems that is not needed, and pork brought back to districts would be seen as a form of dole.  

So, I want to focus on the main issue here.  Is everyone in favor of the government employing people to do marginally important tasks, if doing such means an increase in number of government employees, so that such payments aren't see as unearned handouts?  Is the issue that people don't actually work that is the problem, or is it one of redistribution of income by means of government bureaucrats to where they feel is necessary?  And if the government is creating makeshift work for people, to get their money, does that then mean that the people receiving the money aren't dependent on it?  Does dependency suddenly go away when people actually do something in exchange for the payout?

 

I really don't understand how anyone can view working for the government the same as receiving Welfare. Working for the government is no different than working for a private company. You clock in, do a job, get a check. Same as any job. If you think the government should employ less people, join the club. But the truth is that people working for the government are taxpaying contributors to society. Welfare slugs don't do anything but hold their hand out.

I'm a small government type of person. I work for county government, but I think the federal government is too big and takes too much control from local government. There is a HUGE difference between the monster that is federal government and accountable/transparent local government. There's waste in all government, but the feds make city and county government look flat out frugal. I don't want the government making up jobs just to get people work. I want the government to shrink. It's better that the government outsource to your brother's company. I'd rather the government build up defense to maintain security than take over health care.

Should the government pay for your brother's company's defense contract? I don't know. That's not really something I can assess. Maybe it's important and your brother's company can do it better, faster and cheaper than the government can. I do believe that defense and security are two of the primary purposes of the US Government.

If your brother lost his job I'm sure he could find another. It might not have anything to do with weapon systems, but there are a lot of jobs out there and technical skills are useful in most of them. But that doesn't really matter in this discussion. What matters is that the government, for whatever reason, decided to outsource and your brother's company is doing the work. It's cheaper for the government and it is better for the economy.