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painmaster212 said:
I played the first 2 and couldnt really get into the hard dungeon crawlers so i skipped the 3rd so what in the 4th would convince me otherwise?

It has an easy mode, if difficulty was the main concern. The skills are all also useful this time for each class, so it's much tougher to screw yourself into having a bad party. Material gathering is also generally easier as well.