Justice is served! MGR first week beat DmC first month!

[Michael-5]

BasilZero said:

Michael-5 said:

I 100% disagree with you about Mario. It's not a saga built off off multiple different franchases and games. Mario and later Super Mario have always been 2D/3D Platformers.

Mario Golf, Kart, Party, Tennis, Baseball, Strikers, etc are all spinoffs of the main series. While Mario, and other characters appear in these games, they are not a part of the main series mario games. You don't buy Mario Party expecting a Mario Platformer, just like you don't buy MGR expecting a Stealth Action MGS game.

Yoshi was introduced in Super Mario World 2 and has since developed a series of its own.

Donkey Kong was given his own series by Rare, with Donkey Kong Country and that franchise, while a part of the Mario World, is not a Mario main series saga. Mario is never present in the Donkey Kong franchise. Donkey Kong prior to Donkey Kong Country was a Mario franchise, as Mario back then was not a platformer, but an arcade series.

Paper Mario is a franchise Nintendo created after Square Enix made Super MArio RPG. It's not a main series Mario game, but a spinoff franchise, set in an alternate paper world (much like Metal Gear Ac!d).

Luigi's Mansion is a canon to Mario games because Boo is the villian, and Mario is captured.

Bowser is a main series Mario villian because he was introduced as one in Super Mario Bros, and Donkey Kong has not appeared in a Super Mario game in a long, long time, so he could very well still be a villain (or just an unstable monkey).

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As for your point about MGR, this is where we simply disagree. Metal Gear is no longer a saga or franchise on it's own, it became Metal Gear Solid when it shifted to 3D. We no longer see Metal Gear games, but Metal Gear Solid games now continue the story and plot of Metal Gear. This is analogous to how Super Mario Bros. took over for Mario Bros. Metal Gear Rising is not a replacement for Metal Gear Solid, nor is it an evolution of the franchise. It's a canon, a side story of Metal Gear Solid using MGS characters.

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Actually I bought Mario Party because it was Mario  - not because it was "Party" genre, the same goes for Mario Kart and Mario Sports games - if it didnt have Mario I would of looked at it like any other sports/racing game.

In the case of Yoshi (which the creators mentioned Yoshi's Island was a prequel but no mention of Yoshi's Story which would put it in a alternate timeline but that is debatable I guess) I can understand however Donkey Kong Country was a separate series completely - you are confusing it with the original Donkey Kong like many others although I do agree they all take place in the same universe.

However what differs greatly from the Nintendo example is that Metal Gear Rising has "Metal Gear" in it simply because the Metal Gears do play a role in the game like in Metal Gear, Metal Gear Solid and in Metal Gear Rising. If the game didnt have anything to do with the other games, then they should of called it Raiden Revengenance Rising or w/e lol.

Incase you dont know what metal gear is : http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_%28weapon%29

What does it have to do with the Rising game (DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO SPOIL A PART IN THE GAME) ? : http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_EXCELSUS

Mario may not been present in the DKC Series except for the little easter egg appearance he appeared in the end of DKC2 but Metal Gears still play a storyline role in Metal Gear Rising (again implying if you dont have prior experience to the series you probably wont know what the hell that is)

Also the Donkey Kong that appeared in "DONKEY KONG" arcade game is different from the Donkey Kong in DKC incase you didnt know.

The original DK: http://www.mariowiki.com/Cranky_Kong#Background

The New/Current DK: http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong

As for your last part - doesnt matter, Metal Gear = Metal Gear Solid, same series - they just went with a nickname added to it cause of the transition to 3D, the main character from Metal Gear is Solid Snake, the main character from Metal Gear Solid is Solid Snake - the only difference to Rising is the main character is Raiden instead of Solid Snake because every game from now on unless they mess up the storyline will be a prequel (hence why Ground Zeroes takes place after Peace Walker which takes place before Metal Gear Solid).

If they do make a Metal Gear Solid 5 or a 6 - those will be prequels unless somehow they clone Snake who is originally a clone of Big Boss/Naked Snake. Metal Gear Rising if it does get a sequel will more than likely be a secondary replacement or a replacement sequel wise to the Metal Gear series.

Yes, you bought Mario Kart because it said Mario in the name, just like a lot of people will buy Metal Gear Rising because it says Metal Gear in the name, but is Metal Gear Rising a part of the Metal Gear Solid main series? NO!

Is Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII part of the main line Final Fantasy Series? No!

Is Mario Kart a part of the main line Mario platformer series? No!

Cool point about Donkey Kong, but still it means DKC is a different series.

I know what a metal Gear is, and I'm not saying MGR isn't a canon to Metal Gear Solid. I'm just saying it's not a Metal Gear Solid game, and Metal Gear Solid is the mainline Metal Gear franchise. Meaning MGR is a side story/canon, much like Ac!d is a side story (but non canon)