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kain_kusanagi on 25 January 2013
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:

Ok so I clicked on the link like I said I would and it turned out that it was Angry Joe. I can't stand his vids and after his deplorable "interview" with Geoff Keighley I don't watch his vids anymore.

So it probably goes without saying that I didn't watch the video. Sorry.

I will say a general opinion I have about Fable. I think people mistake it for something that it never was. The game was hyped up to be a big hardcore RPG, but that's not what it was and each game has moved further away from the RPG genre. I prefer it that way. The Fable games are much more adventure than RPG. Nobody complains about the sparse stories in Zelda and Elder Scrolls games, but for some reason Fable is supposed to have a script to rival Mass Effect and Final Fantasy. All I want from the Fable games is action adventure set in a magical world and the Fable games, all three of them, have done that very well. Kingdoms of Amalur does the same thing, but in a bigger overworld. There are things about both series that I think could be improved, like Fable's restrictive overworld or Kingdoms' MMO style generic quests. But overall I think all of them are good and I enjoy them for what they are.

As for the end of Fable 2. The worst tragedy is the one you don't see coming. I loved that dog and I saved him and my family.

So you didn't watch the video, but you're ready to bash the guy's opinion without even hearing it? What "deplorable "interview" with Geoff Keighley? I just watched that video and Geoff as respectable as he is was dicking him around. Geoff called him out on targeting the casual/moderate gaming audience instead of the core gamer.

Fable was hyped to be a big "hardcore" RPG, but what it really is after the original Fable became a memory of a promise unfulfilled. The game held your hand and delivered little challenge. Super Mario was harder than Fable. As for being an Action RPG, it is actually one of the word in category that I've ever seen. The game has made a bit of money, but thats because I believe 360 gamers are in a "waiting for the day" situation where Peter Molyneux might return to his glory days of game making and give us the game we've been waiting to pay $60 for. No one complains about Zelda, because it is a masterfully made franchise.For years it has provided clever levels, brilliant puzzles, great inventory, simple yet satisfying battle mechanics and challenging platforming when need be. Skyrim is a totally different animal crafted for the hardcore grinding gamer of WRPG's (remember the difference). This game's focus is true RPG relationships, grinding for money, power, armor noteriety and more. It's job is to have you truly make a difference in the world and have the people shape themselves around you and the replayability of that game bar none destroys Fable. Fable has an audience, I am sure but it does not hold a candle to the real RPG's. That game is an entry level action RPG and it will always be remembered as such, imho.

I stated from the Fable 2 days that this franchise would not deteriorate in sales, but rather deteriorate from within because of some horrible decisions made. What happened today? Fable 3 comes out and delivers the same tired crap times ten, they put Fable on the Kinect and turn it into on rails crap and exactly what I predicted would happen is that the team would fall apart. Now, with that said....I did not have any idea Molyneux would leave, but I think it's time he walked away from that misleading mess of a franchise. Molyneux is talented, but I think he needs to sit down and think about what made Black & White so great.

Yep, I didn't watch the video, but I never bashed his opinion about Fable either. I gave a my general feelings about how I think Fable has been missunderstood, but I never once refered to Angry Joe's review. I've seen enough of his videos to know I don't need to watch any more of them. That's why I said I didn't watch it and then went on to talk seperatly about Fable in an unrealted to Angry Joe manner.

FYI, this is the video I was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTNkoDzP1hI

He spends a half an hour doing damage control on the most unprofessional interview I have ever seen. Geoff Keighley was a pure gentlemen and Angry Joe had nothing, but half baked insulting pointed questions that all boiled down to him trashing the VGA's.

As for you dislike of Fable. That's fine, I'm sure there are games you love that I don't like. But even if Falbe is an "entry level" "RPG" I don't see what's wrong with that or what's wrong with a spin off. I don't like to grind, so I like not having to grind in Fable. You're right that Zelda is a masterpiece, but I don't see how that would stop me from enjoying games less refined. You say that Fable is not a "real" RPG and I agree. I said as much in my original comment. Even the first Fable was light on RPG elements. It's no more an RPG than Zelda and I'm fine with that. All I want from Fable is a magical world with action and whimsy. That's what it's always been and that's what I like about it. I never expected it to be anything more and that's why I wasn't disapointed. The games got a lot of hype, but just because a game isn't what you thought it was going to be doens't mean it sucks. It just means it's different than you expected. I'm not saying you have to like it, but please understand that there are those of us that do.