It is not the Wii U that has mildly failed, it is Mario

[kain_kusanagi]

Immortal said:

kain_kusanagi said:

Maybe you should take a few psychology courses before trying to psychoanalyze me. I don't want the Wii U to fail, nor do I want 2D Mario to fail. But I will admit that what I believe is based on what I see. The people who bought Wii and made it a huge success did so because it was fad. They told their friends about it and everyone had fun with Wii Sports. Some may have even bought their little ones some real games like NSMB and others bought the Wii with NSMB and played Wii Sports without opening NSMB. What I saw was a lot of nontraditional gamers like soccer moms and grandparents who never bought a video game console for themselves before and who have no need to buy another. They either still have Wii Sports or they gave it away before the fad ended. Very few of those people, the ones that made the Wii such a success, will buy a Wii U. But you know who will buy a Wii U. People like me who have been playing Nintendo games since before there was a NES, back when you could play Donkey Kong and Mario Bros on an Atari. We are waiting for Nintendo to give us what we want. I believe that NSMB, as a series, has saturated the market. It will still sell fine, but it's not selling systems like a 3D Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart and Metroid Prime would.

...but yeah, keep an eye on it and watch what happens sound like the thing to do.

Yeah, sorry. I was very bored and very tired last night. :P The psychoanalysis was too blatant, wasn't it?

Still, I'm a bit confused why you'd use derogatory terms to refer to the Wii's success ("clueless", "tricked", "fad") if you don't actually dislike it. Also, I really don't see why you're knowingly using anecdotes and generalizations with little evidential basis to make your predictions. Surely, you understand that's a fallacy?

@bdbdbd, I'm not sure what your point is. I mean, you may have bought the Wii for Wii Sports and then gone on to buy Wii Play and  WSR, but also games like NSMB, MK and JD. Just because you bought a system for one game, you won't restrict yourself to games exactly like it. I mean, the Wii's attach rate, while already a little low, would be significantly lower if its buyers had such a mentality.

I called, and believe, that the soccer moms and grandparents were and are still clueless. They were tricked by the fad of the Wii. That's not derogatory. The reality of the Wii's success is that the motion controls were a new gimmick that none gamers found to be a fun toy for parties. For some it was a way to get the family to play together. For others it was a way to get a little exercise. To them the Wii wasn't a video game console. It was an interactive motion control activity device. They were clueless about video games and when the fad passed they left it for the next fad.

I can predict based on anything I want. You can call it a fallacy if you want, but I judge the future on what I see, what I've seen, and how it makes me feel. I don't need data to know that grandparents are not gamers even if they have a dusty Wii in their house. I don't need statistics to tell me that Wii Fit got stacked on the other abandoned exercise equipment in the garage.

I love Mario Galaxy, Metroid 3, Zelda SS and Mario Kart Wii. But not because they were Wii games with motion control. I love those games despite motion controls. I look forward to Mario U, Metroid U and Zelda U because I'm hopeful that the Gamepad's standard controls will be used and the touch screen will be for items and menus. I'm hopeful that the Wii motion fad is over and we core gamers can get back to playing the games we want the way we want to. I've been playing Nintendo games longer than there have been Nintendo consoles and I will continue to play Nintendo games for as long as I can hold a controller in my hand. But that doesn't change the fact that Wii was a fluke, a market anomaly, a fad and it won't happen again.