Do you think that religion has any place in politics?

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soccerdrew17 said:

Mnementh said:
It should be separated for reason: If religion and politics are separated it means, politicians have to give reasons for their decisions, that are based in rationality. If a politician has to resort to religious reasons to explain a decision and gives no other reasons, you have to ask yourself if this decision can really be explained on a rational base. That doesn't mean that all politicians have to be atheists. That only means, they should find reasons for their decisions besides religion.

pretty much on the dot. morality from religion is fine as long as its backed up by reality. no one has any right to say someone cant hold a view because of their religion. they can contest whether they have itonly because they are told too.

example: the right wing, or "religious right," claims that abortion is bad because its killing, yet we have caused many more deaths than would have happened had we not gone into iraq. The left wing wants abortion because they believe women have the right to it, but that the iraq war is wrong because we are invading a non aggressive country and causing civilian deaths. the right's views conflict, while the left's does not. because they say life is sacred in the bible yet only apply it where they want, it is now hypocracy and not religious views.

See... this here is why people need religion. As long as you phrase it right, you can make anything sounds rational. When it comes down to it though, you need to have points at which you say "This is wrong and this is right, and even if it seems rational, I know it's not."

you're justifying abortion, the deaths of those who are completely innocent, those who have never even had the CHANCE to commit a crime or harm anyone or endanger society, by saying "well, we're already killing people over here" so this should be okay too!

So because you're unable to recognize teh obvious differences between these entirely different cases, you're saying all of it's okay! As long as someone else is doing something wrong, that's a good enough excuse to do something wrong to those people too!

I'm not even going to get into the neccesity for preventetive measures against a foe that uses guerilla tactics instead of typical rules of engagement in warfare.

And legally, if a pregnant woman is killed, it's double murder, so an unborn child IS apparently considered to be a life. There is also no real constitutional grounds that a woman's "right to privacy" allows her to supercede her child's right to life. It's because i believe in god as an overriding authority of what is right and wrong that I can recognize that just because a law has been passed does NOT make it correct.