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Sal.Paradise said:
curl-6 said:
pezus said:
happydolphin said:
pezus said:

Clearly the majority liked MGS4, given the great sales and metascore (and userscore as well...). That's all I'm saying. MGS4 is quality. He mentioned Bayonetta as an example of Japanese quality, lol. If that's quality, I will ask for something lackluster next time they decide to do a crappy job with the most popular version.

The majority of what segment/audience? I don't disagree with your argument, just with that bit (movie+game>game), some people find game>movie+game.

Though I agree with you if you don't think that makes a game less quality (since quality isn't about perceived value but about intrinsic value), in his eyes it is of lesser value due to his value-system. Other than that I don't disagree with you.

The movie+game equation was more a joke than anything lol. And yes, he still can't deny it's quality even if he himself doesn't like the game. Every big game has its share of detractors, MGS4 is no different.

Yes, I can. It's just that I don't like it, I actually do not consider it a quality game. All the graphics and story in the world can't save a game so bogged down by trying to be "cinematic" that it sacrifices gameplay.

Did you like the other MGS games? Because MGS4 has the best gameplay in the series. And it's not like the cutscenes made all those great gameplay sections vanish into thin air; they're still there for you to enjoy. 

I loved MGS and MGS3.

The cutscenes in MGS4 broke things up because I spent so much time watching, wishing I was actually playing. I'd rather they shaved off about 40% of them and replaced the missing space and the "mash X for ten minutes to walk down a corridor" sequences with proper gameplay.