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Veknoid_Outcast on 24 September 2012
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pokoko said:
Cobretti2 said:
pokoko said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I'm calling BS on this. At worst Bayonetta 2 would not happen NOW, but it would happen eventually. Most likely they Sega shopped it around, took bidders, and Nintendo paid the most. Other backers probably didn't think such a niche title was worth it, and they are probably right.

I'm happy to see the series continue but it's not my type of game. I played the demo and didn't care for it. What I think is strange is that Platinum took Nintendo's money while knowing it would alienate almost all the fans of the original. Most with only a Wii never played the original and most with only a PS360 aren't going to buy a Wii U just for Bayonetta 2. It's weird and regardless of how Platinum spins it I think the game would have been funded and published as a multiplatform game eventually.

Yeah, honestly, I'm not buying it as an absolute, either.  They might have spoken with Ninteno first, or Nintendo might have made the best offer, but I cannot believe that a new IP that sold nearly 2 million copies would not have a sequel made eventually, especially since it sounds like the game was pretty much completed already.  It would have happened.  Someone else would have jumped on this.  I just think it never went down the ladder very far and that Nintendo snapped it up early.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this.  Obviously SEGA is getting theirs somehow, or they never would have agreed to let someone else publish.  Platinum will obviously see less sales with this move, so I'm inclined to think they insured that Nintendo would be taking most of the risk.  Nintendo would probably even be fine with it under-performing, as I think they're mainly doing this to have an adult game they can use for show-and-tell.

It's a bit of a shame, as I think the Bayonetta IP could have grown by a large margin had it been on all three systems.  As it is now, if Bayonetta 2 compares poorly against the sales of the first game, then this might be the death knell of the IP.


LOL death of an IP?

Look at Final Fantasy when that shifted from Nintendo to Sony. It sure killed its sales. The fact it unlike the spoilt whinging kids these days, gamers of old moved to the platform their favourite game was on. Simple as that. If you are a true Bayonetta fan (GENRAL COMMENT TO ALL PEOPLE READING), then you will buy a WiiU, otherwise the game meant diddly squat to you in the first place.

Let me quote the first part of the sentence you bolded, because you seemed to have missed that.  It said "if Bayonetta 2 compares poorly against the sales of the first game."  I didn't say they WOULD, I said IF.  This is an unknown, we don't know how well the Bayonetta IP is going to do on a Nintendo console.  The first game did 2m on TWO consoles, and I suspect that Bayonetta 2 would have broken 3m had it been a 3-way multi-plat.

The Wii U defensiveness has gotten every bit as bad as the people who hate on it, perhaps worse. You can't speculate about a single thing about it unless it's completely flowers and unicorns.  This is getting crazy.  I didn't even say anything bad, for cat's sake, and would have just as many reservations if it was a 360 exclusive, and almost as many if it were a PS3 exclusive.  Either way, I think being on a single console might not give it enough sales for the IP to continue.  Even though it's not my cup of tea, I like seeing original IPs flourish and I hope it does just that.

Also, the whole "if you're a fan of Bayonetta then you'll buy a new $300 console" thing is kind of silly.  If that was the only thing they wanted a Wii U for, then they would have to be either rich or obsessive.  Better to just say it's the reality of the business and to just deal with it.  However, it IS completely reasonable for a person to express their displeasure to Platinum, that's what consumers are supposed to do, just as long as they do so in a mature way.

I definitely agree that both extremes in this argument have retreated behind their fortifications and are lobbing grenades at each other, while the majority of gamers either have no idea what Bayonetta 2 is, or are just happy it exists at all.

However, I think you might be underestimating the power of a single game in pushing someone to buy a new console. About four years ago, I was very seriously considering buying an Xbox 360, but the thing that pushed me over the edge was the announcement of a new Banjo-Kazooie game. Since Xbox was the only way I could play one of my favorite series, I picked up the console. Banjo-Kazooie turned out a lot differently than I imagined, but I certainly don't regret the purchase. I had a similar reaction to Beyond Good & Evil 2, although that was never released (dear God I hope it will be some day).

So Bayonetta might only cause a few diehard fans to pick up a Wii U, but once they've invested in the console who knows what will happen? Since I bought my Xbox I've invested quite a bit of money into it, in terms of games, accessories, and Xbox Live subscriptions.

In any event, I think it was a very smart decision by Nintendo. And I'm going to have to take Platinum at their word, in the absence of contradictory evidence.