Dark Knight Rises vs Dark Knight?

[vlad321]

pezus said:

Darth Tigris said:

pezus said:

Darth Tigris said:

Translation:  I am Batman fanboy that can't be convinced that anything is better than The Dark Knight Rises no matter how much logic and facts that you use.

There.  I just saved everybody a ton of time trying to convince the unconvincible.  Next up, Doritos!!!  

I'm sorry but where are the facts? He absolutely could not have cut an hour from the film and still had it as good, or better as some of you are suggesting. This is just a ridiculous notion.

That's not what I was referring to.  I was referring to this notion that TDKR is deep and meaningful while The Avengers is just entertaining fluff.  It's factually incorrect and condescending.  Why do people have to down something else to prop up what they like?  It's immature and lacks character.

Well I do not know about that. But what I do know is that TDKR felt more meaningful than The Avengers to me. The Avengers was a good film, heck maybe even great, but not as good as TDKR or any of Nolan's Batman films. 

And while people keep mentioning villains in here, the villain in The Avengers was pretty bad to say the least. 

So here's what I think overall about the films, in short form.

Avengers:

Good - Action, humor, many of the characters (Iron Man especially), Scarlett's ass

Worse - Main plot, villain(s), soundtrack (forgettable), the death scene (of a nobody) that was supposed to be emotional

 

Batman:

Good - Story and the way it is told, villain(s), Batman, Michael Caine, a fitting and bombastic soundtrack (memorable character themes), Anne's ass

Worse - Some minor plot holes that have no effect on the overall plot. Nothing else I can think of because I thought the film was shockingly astounding

Oh hell no, now I know you have a problem with blindness when it comes to this movie. The villains in TDKR was absolutely pathetic. Obviously spoilers from here on down.

You build up Bane, he is awesome, he got out of a pit, he has ideals and ideas. He's badass, even too much or Ra's. Then in the last 15 minutes you learn he is just a little bitch that just follows some dumb bitch. He is nothing, he is worthless. He has no ideas, he has no point, all his ramblings are absolutely removed when you find out about Talia. He isn't smart, he isn't badass, he ins't awesome. He's just some muscle who got kicked out of an order because he wanted to fuck the headmaster's daughter. Pathetic, it's absolutely insulting towards Knightfall's Bane.

Now Talia on the other hand, you see her for a total of 20 minutes, and I can sum up her entire character in 1 quote. "You killed my dad, whine whine whine, bitch bitch bitch, complain complain."

The villains in TDKR are absolutely terrible, both of them.

Edit: The best villain in this movie was Liam Neeson, and that should tell you a lot considering that happened 2 movies ago.