Dark Knight Rises vs Dark Knight?

[vlad321]

richardhutnik said:

vlad321 said:

Easily Avengers. Batman was absolutely fucking awesome and badass and everything. However Come on... All these themes were explored in Watchmen (book, but the movie too I guess). Superheroes that are mortal and not really super? What they would do to save people/punish evil doers (Let's face it Rorschach completely and UTTERLY obliterates Batman when it comes to this). It's just been explored and done before already. You want to make a serious movie that explores serious areas? Well prepare to be compared to other mediums as well then.

Meanwhile you have The Avengers. There are no themes, no motifs. There's just badassery, fucking aesome, fucking awesome badassery, etc. It also has a few laughs here and there. Also did I mention fucking awesome?

tld;dr: Watchemn did everything Batman did, but better.

I can't agree about Dark Knight covering the same ground as Watchmen.  Watchmen was about humanity blowing itself up, and an entire Cold War angle, with one real superhero in it.  I am not going to do spoilers here, but maybe one can see things connect.

The entire Batman trilogy is about the ideas of whether or not to save current structures or let them burn.  It is focused differently, although both Watchmen and Batman connect to some degree.  Each of them stand on their own.

And I will say this though, while I find Avengers better than Dark Knight Rises, I believe Avengers as a series will have its work cut out to top the Dark Knight trilogy.  For me, the Dark Knight Trilogy is the best comic book movie series ever.  And I hold Dark Knight Rises as the weakest of the three, I still feel it fully fits the trilogy and brings it to a close.  It did its job.

It may have been a few years now, but I could have sworn DR. M's entire plot and turnaround and everything was about exactly that. Except instead of jsut structures it was humanity itself.