By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Jumpin said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


I never said that it makes no sense to practice religion for the sake of joy, but don't fool yourself: Every Christian, Jew and Muslim fear hell and are willing to do anything to avoid it. Praying may be one of those things, circumcising their children may be another, but they all have the same goal.

It brings joy because they feel safe from the Devil.

Jews don't believe in hell. Jews circumcise to celebrate a covenant with God. Christians pray as a means of deepening their own personal relationship with God; not to avoid hell. 

Bolded: Well, they do fear the cleansing though, which is directly affected by their actions/lack of actions.

Underlined: Which wouldn't make any sense according to the OP.

Rest: Which also makes no sense according to the OP. You don't deserve to have a deeper relationship with God just because you happened to be born in a Christian society. That would at least partially base your relationship with God on luck.

I already addressed that point in my last post which I will repost now:

 

No one is born an atheist - because in order to be an atheist you have to have a concept of the theos (God or Gods) and then reject the belief in them.

However, people are born agnostic - that is, they do not 'know' the (or have a belief in an) answer to the question of existence.

The question in the main topic seems to be directed at Conservative theists. Religious pluralism is not an issue for Liberal branches of religion, such as Liberal Christianity because we believe that other faiths and mystical practices are viable paths. Other religions are essentially the same as being German, French, or Italian, or Chinese; all viable ways of life in different ways. Essentially the mystical path is open to anyone; and religion is a manmade framework which differs from culture to culture, language to language, and often community to community, but they are all means to lead to the same thing - we can call it the Sacred, we can call it God, etc...

A Conservative Theist would see their religion as purely divine, and view religion through religious exclusivism (that is, they think they're right and no one else is), and of course, they strugle with the fact of religious pluralism. This is one of the key differences between the Liberal branches of Christianity and the Conservative branches.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.