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noname2200 said:

*shrug*

No analogy is perfect!

So let's try another one!

The bottom line in nearly every race is the same metric, in this case 'final time.'

Three separate events are running a marathon-length race. One is running the marathon on foot via undeveloped trails someplace mountainous. The second is running the marathon on foot in an urban environment. The third is a bike race.

If the question is "what environment is most conducive to running a fast time in a marathon?", why is the third race irrelevant?

Don't expect this to be a perfect analogy, because it's not perfect. Just use it to understand why using the same comparative metric does not lead yield equally useful information.

 

With that in mind, the flaw that you're making is in thinking that 2D Mario is comparable to Mario Kart. They are not. They are in different genres, attempting to reach different audiences, and made to scratch different itches. This is why a direct comparison between the two is not as important as you're making it out to be.

Please don't get impatient.

In your analogy of a race, liken video game sales to the amount of people said race attracts in the stands. From that metric, you can say for instance if one event, no matter the details, attracts more of a crowd than another, then it is the more popular event, regardless of the nature of the attendants. The same can be said for Mario Kart vs 2D Mario, the metric in this occurence being sales. This ultimately translates into bottom line, for Nintendo, which is the heart of this issue after all.

 

And if you can't accept why that's relevant to the question at hand, then accept that the two are not comparable in market power. Again, with the exception of the Wii version, MK has consistently sold millions less than its contemporary 2D Mario counterpart.

How can I disagree with this? I was running from the track record of gen 7 onwards. That's all... For both instances (portable and home flavors), it was a record-breaking seller. In one case with the peer help of Wii Sports, in the other with the help of games such as Brain Age and Nintendogs (before NSMB was able to help propel things further).

And if you can't accept THAT, then please accept the idea that you should start a new thread to decide if MK7 not blazing past NSMB in 2012 is indicative that the former is in trouble. Hopefully, the weight of responses will do what a single person has thus far failed to do!

But I never disagreed with this. I just said that if this were true for Mario Kart (that it's in trouble, which it is), then the argument stands for both Mario Kart and 3D Mario. I was just asking for consistency. If you see it that way, then we don't disagree.

I was just saying that in the case where someone said that Mario Kart was leaps and bounds more potent than 3D Mario (which it also is), then applying the Europe 2D Mario chart argument only to one and not to the other was inconsistent.

That's all I was trying to say.