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chocoloco said:

A)  I am clear that this seems probable they will come in 2013 and only furthers my point. The Wii U will be competing more closely with the 360 and PS3 than the PS4 nextbox because I see the Wii U being more like those consoles graphically. Once the PS4 and nextbox are out I presume they will be far superior in power to the Wii U as history has left me with no reason to think otherwise. At that point, I think the graphics whores and sony and MS fans will be ready to move on. The Wii U will be stuck competing with 4 consoles, PS3, 360, PS4, 720 and will not be that different to come anywhere close to dominating like they did early on this gen.

B)  This is not the same rules. Times change. People are looking for devices that do many things. The Wii does the least of all the consoles during the current time period and was doing well before the big hitters you mention like 3D Mario and 2D Mario, not to mention Mario Kart came out. The Wii's initial seller was it's motion controls which were fairly unique and as I said easier to pick up. The early sales of the wii were driven by this freshness and uniqueness and not a strong 1st party lineup othee than wii sports. What I am saying is many things sold the wii, but early on it was not it's exclusives alone it was the controls. How can exclusives sell a product more than a minor amount if they have not come out or been announced?

C)  Third parties will only need the Wii U if it sells very  well and quickly. If this does not happen it will probably be abandoned. This once again will be made worse after the PS4 and nextbox arrive and many graphics whore eager developers are ready to spend more of their capital on the MS, Sony combo.

D)  Nintendo can only win by being fres. And the tablet is nothing new and not fresh. Just look at what the Vita PS3 can do. The wii U is a redundancy in the industry until the Nextbox and PS4 arrive.

Your points are only relevant if Nintendo bombs at this E3 and shows that they don't have the right games in mind...

A)  If it has the right games, WiiU competing with 360 and PS3 is a non issue this holiday, as it would be foolish to assume that it won’t have a great launch.  There are easily enough Nintendo fans looking to upgrade that a holiday launch will prove successful.  But if Nintendo provides games that are fun and utilize the controller in ingenious ways, it really doesn’t matter what 360 and PS3 do, as the new hype will be on WiiU and its games that the other consoles can’t replicate (including NeXtBox and PS4, unless they announce tablet/streaming as well).  Therefore WiiU competing with 4 consoles is irrelevant.  Also, it is erroneous to assume that the new consoles will dwarf the WiiU to the point that it will be left out once they arrive.  There will surely be exclusives on the new consoles that may look better than the majority of what’s on the market in the 8th gen, but they’ll be the minority.  Most companies are happy with around WiiU rumored power (which I believe will be a bit stronger than the HD twins), and when you consider developer budgets, making an astronomically powerful system will not result in more support; only a prohibitively expensive console.

B)  No, the rules have not changed in that people still seek fun experiences.  If WiiU delivers on this, it will attract people similar to the way the Wii did.  Furthermore, saying that it was not exclusives but rather the controls that made Wii a success is also not entirely correct.  Wii Sports was exclusive… and it proved why Wii’s direction of going with motion controls could be fun.  If someone had come out with a motion controlled system that was not backed up with something that proved it to people, it would have flopped.  Again, it comes down to Nintendo delivering on why the tablet controller/streaming ability is unique and fun.  If it has the right games, the concept could become the next big thing.

C)  See point A.

D)  The tablet controller is new and fresh when pertaining to consoles, with a highly intuitive interface to boot.  As far as I know, the PS3/Vita combo cannot stream a full PS3 game to the Vita while displaying it on the TV simultaneously.  The only edge Sony has is that the Vita is its own individual system, which is much more expensive and is only a boon of you already own/want a Vita (which, well, that’s another topic entirely).  In any case, WiiU is built with the controller interaction in mind; every WiiU owner will have this ability, making the Sony combo look like an afterthought by comparison.  Once again, if Nintendo delivers the right games, WiiU will hardly be a redundancy, and could instead shape the industry for the 8th gen.

Conclusion:  If Nintendo delivers the right games, WiiU will be a success regardless of the competition.