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davidd_err18 on 12 April 2012
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chocoloco said:
Mr Khan said:
chocoloco said:
 

It is about exclusives for Nintendo as it always has been. Clearly though the gamecube and N64 proved exclusives do not win the generation. And so far the Wii U seems to not be doing the things the wii did to succeed which was to market to small time gamers or put something out there that non-gamers could easily pick up and do right away. This time they are not doing that other than the backwards compatibility. They are looking like they want to compete with Sony in MS again on their playing field withs more advanced tech and I say they will lose this time. It does not matter to me if the do well. I just do not think they will gain enough third parties and stay relevant after the MS and Sony comes out with new consoles. why? Because I assume Sony and MS will keep the PS3 and 360 on the market for a long time and the Wii U will be competing with those consoles that already have vast libraries. The Wii U will sell mostly to the people that love their first parties, but I do not think it will be enough to pull in the gamers that have grown used to the many things that are superior for Sony and MS. Mostly talking about online capabilities here, but obviously there are many other areas they do much better than Ninty.

I could care less about portables and of course the 3DS has more games, it is called a won year launch advantage.

1. Sony and Microsoft are only going as far as holiday 2013 before bringing their successors out. This is becoming more and more clear as time proceeds

2. Exclusives do win generations, and always have, but you need the right exclusives. The relationship between 3D Mario and 2D Mario, as well as some of the other missteps Nintendo took with their own games in the N64 and GC era shows simply that Nintendo lost their way, not that the rules of the game changed. The Wii U will stand or fall by presence or absence of Wii and NES-type titles.

3. Third parties need the Wii U just as much as Wii U needs third parties. Skyrocketing develoment costs mean they need somewhere to put their games. Whether they put them there well or shortchange the machine as they did with the GameCube is what remains to be seen. However, with the likelihood of third party parity increasing, then we have a playing field where the only competition is in exclusives, one in which (see point 2) Nintendo can utterly dominate if it so chooses.

A) I am clear that this seems probable they will come in 2013 and only furthers my point. The Wii U will be competing more closely with the 360 and PS3 than the PS4 nextbox because I see the Wii U being more like those consoles graphically. Once the PS4 and nextbox are out I presume they will be far superior in power to the Wii U as history has left me with no reason to think otherwise. At that point, I think the graphics whores and sony and MS fans will be ready to move on. The Wii U will be stuck competing with 4 consoles, PS3, 360, PS4, 720 and will not be that different to come anywhere close to dominating like they did early on this gen.

B) This is not the same rules. Times change. People are looking for devices that do many things. The Wii does the least of all the consoles during the current time period and was doing well before the big hitters you mention like 3D Mario and 2D Mario, not to mention Mario Kart came out. The Wii's initial seller was it's motion controls which were fairly unique and as I said easier to pick up. The early sales of the wii were driven by this freshness and uniqueness and not a strong 1st party lineup othee than wii sports. What I am saying is many things sold the wii, but early on it was not it's exclusives alone it was the controls. How can exclusives sell a product more than a minor amount if they have not come out or been announced?

C)Third parties will only need the Wii U if it sells very  well and quickly. If this does not happen it will probably be abandoned. This once again will be made worse after the PS4 and nextbox arrive and many graphics whore eager developers are ready to spend more of their capital on the MS, Sony combo.

Nintendo can only win by being fres. And the tablet is nothing new and not fresh. Just look at what the Vita PS3 can do. The wii U is a redundancy in the industry until the Nextbox and PS4 arrive.


I completly aggre with you chocoloco, Wii U is in a strange situation between ps3/360 and ps4/720 graphics, it will probably be the Dreamcast of the next generation. Of course, the games are what matter the most, and I am sure 1st party offerings are going to be fantastic, but I want major 3rd party games as well. A lot of 3rd parties only support a platform that can produce certain kind of graphics, and if PS4/720/PC will be the norm of next gen, they are just not going to try making Wii U games, besides a lot of them (looking at you Kojima productions and Epic!) just invent excuses to not support the Wii U.