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chocoloco said:
spurgeonryan said:
chocoloco said:
I do not want them to be market leader I think they deserve to exist, but deserve to be third because of their low powered hardware in the wii and I expect the Wii U to not be a big enough jump to gain my respect after Sony and MS had such powerful systems for 6-7 years. Not to mention their IP's (except Zelda) are mostly quick play games that get boring fast. So I am worried they will just become the HD consoles newest member, making the twins triplets.


I kind of agree. Gamers are so used to high end graphics that when the Wii u comes along and does not look that different , they are not going to really care. It is still all about the exclusives though. See Monster hunter in Japan. First party and Mario games need to keep coming out on a regular basis. Then the Console like the 3DS will sell because of the games, and not the hardware. The vita is cool, nice hardware. But where are the games?

It is about exclusives for Nintendo as it always has been. Clearly though the gamecube and N64 proved exclusives do not win the generation. And so far the Wii U seems to not be doing the things the wii did to succeed which was to market to small time gamers or put something out there that non-gamers could easily pick up and do right away. This time they are not doing that other than the backwards compatibility. They are looking like they want to compete with Sony in MS again on their playing field withs more advanced tech and I say they will lose this time. It does not matter to me if the do well. I just do not think they will gain enough third parties and stay relevant after the MS and Sony comes out with new consoles. why? Because I assume Sony and MS will keep the PS3 and 360 on the market for a long time and the Wii U will be competing with those consoles that already have vast libraries. The Wii U will sell mostly to the people that love their first parties, but I do not think it will be enough to pull in the gamers that have grown used to the many things that are superior for Sony and MS. Mostly talking about online capabilities here, but obviously there are many other areas they do much better than Ninty.

I could care less about portables and of course the 3DS has more games, it is called a won year launch advantage.

1. Sony and Microsoft are only going as far as holiday 2013 before bringing their successors out. This is becoming more and more clear as time proceeds

2. Exclusives do win generations, and always have, but you need the right exclusives. The relationship between 3D Mario and 2D Mario, as well as some of the other missteps Nintendo took with their own games in the N64 and GC era shows simply that Nintendo lost their way, not that the rules of the game changed. The Wii U will stand or fall by presence or absence of Wii and NES-type titles.

3. Third parties need the Wii U just as much as Wii U needs third parties. Skyrocketing develoment costs mean they need somewhere to put their games. Whether they put them there well or shortchange the machine as they did with the GameCube is what remains to be seen. However, with the likelihood of third party parity increasing, then we have a playing field where the only competition is in exclusives, one in which (see point 2) Nintendo can utterly dominate if it so chooses.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.