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NightDragon83 said:
mushroomboy5 said:
@Nightdragons to be fair they'd already ruined the character of Vader at the end of ROTJ with all that 'You were right Luke...tell your sister you were right' crap.

Which reminds me...RETURN of the JEDI would rate up there with worst sequels of all time (even if it is a bit of an easy target!)...to me, Jedi is far worse than any of the prequels.

Hold on a minute there... how exactly did Darth Vader coming to terms with the fact that he fucked up big time by destroying his, his family's and countless other people's lives, and finally owning up to it with his son RUIN his character???  He was telling Luke that he was right about it not being too late for him and that he could turn him back to the good side.  This is the epitome of character development in a story, something that Lucas completely forgot about while he was busy using his new shiny toys to make his epic "look at how much shit I can shove onto the screen at once!" trilogy.

I'll take a few somewhat irritating minutes of watching Luke and Co. fumble around with overgrown teddy bears over the horrendous crapfests known as the prequels that completely ruined Star Wars forever.  The only positive thing to ever come out of those movies were the RedLetterMedia reviews that rightfully tore them apart.

I have nothing against the concept of redemption and you don't need to explain it all to me...remarkably, I do get the transition that is taking place.

It's just I would have preferred the whole sequence not be handled with all the subtlety of a daytime soap that's all. It was cheap and it was tacky and I remember laughing my ass off even when I saw it at the cinemas as a kid. I mean you complain about SITH ruining Vader's character...Jedi reduced the biggest bad ass villain in cinema history into a weeping, smiling humpty dumpty-esque figure all for the sake of envoking a cheap emotional reaction from the audience (that's not the epitome of character development, it's cheap, hackneyed autopilot scriptwriting!)... I've seen eps of Melrose Place with greater emotional resonance. I don't actually mind the concept of Vader/Anakin finding redemption, it just could have been done a lot better.