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happydolphin on 04 March 2012
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RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:

1) All I'm saying is common sense. Time played on alternative platforms is time played elsewhere than on a dedicated platform. With more and more people buying Apple and Android products, and playing Facebook games, the trend will only grow.

The only way Nintendo's numbers stay the same is if 1) Nintendo's base does not grow, and 2) Gamers on both platforms just play much much more.

Also keep in mind those numbers are percentages. The FB numbers I gave you go to show how much more time is actually spent on alternate platforms than on dedicated platforms.

 

2) If Nintendo didn't think 3rd parties saw opportunity on those platforms at the expense of Nintendo dedicated console support, they would have never made the sermon at GDC 2011.

@b. One simply cannot properly run a business with such a view. If the 3rd party trend is leaning towards trust due to Nintendo's upward position in the market, why spoil that by not addressing 3rd parties who see opportunity elsewhere. You want to put all odds on your side.

3) You said the kids who bought it bought it for use as a phone. I disagreed with common sense. There is no burden of proof. As for whether or not they do that at the expense of 3/DS gaming is the next question. For that, I would say, time spent on the iPhone is time not spent on the DS line. The ultimate question remains, since trends show equal playtime on dedicated consoles, and with the obvious fact of overlap, are kids just playing so much more? Maybe.

1) The number of Facebook gamers exceeds the number of Nintendo system owners, so we are looking at quite a large number of people who might not own a Nintendo system at all; or even a dedicated gaming system for that matter.

As long as no numbers are shown that prove a direct correlation, I will continue to believe that there is no correlation.

2) I can only reiterate: Something that is believed to exist doesn't mean that it actually exists. If third parties believe that Nessie exists, then by all means, they should head to Scotland. Nintendo stating that Nessie is only a fairy tale won't convince them and neither does it mean that Nessie exists.

3) Smartphones and tablets aren't a threat to dedicated gaming systems. That's common sense, yet here I am and have to argue about the same old nonsense.


1) But we may be looking at a very large Number of people who own a Nintendo system, and play Facebook games. That is the point. Such gamers may end up saying, "I have all I need on Facebook and my new iPhone/iPad/iPod/android".

None of us have numbers, so nobody will budge. Sadly, common sense says most people who own a DS/Wii also own a smartphone/tablet. But you won't accept that. Agree to disagree :S

2) The fact that you say it's Nessie doesn't prove anything, nor does it make it Nessie. I'll just leave it at that.

3) You still fail to explain why these kids wanted one, where I've used common sense to tell you they bought it for the games, music and movies (i.e. multimedia). Hence you remain nonsensical.