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enrageorange on 12 February 2012
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SamuelRSmith said:
enrageorange said:

Both "conservative" and moderates in the republican party want big government no matter how much they might try to convince the voters so there will always be a big part of the republican party that wants  it. Also I think it is a bad idea to remove all foreign stationed troops. No I don't think we should be occupying unfriendly nations, but people really underestimate the importance of influencing other countries and what would happen otherwise that won't just affect other nations, but America as well. The America Paul wants won't have any "government tyranny" but I think people will begin missing some aspects of big government rather quickly if his vison somehow becomes reality.

You don't want to occupy unfriendly nations? Just the friendly ones then? 10,000 troops in the UK, a thousand troops in Belgium, 50,000 troops in Germany, 40,000 in Japan, 30,000 in South Korea.

Should the USA be paying for the defence of Europe and South Asia? I mean, all those German and Japanese car companies that are costing Americans jobs.... they get it easier because they don't have to pay taxes to the Government for defence, because the US Government does it for them. Is that fair?

What aspects of big Government will be missed? The department of education ruining education? Or the healthcare laws that drive up the costs? Or the Feds spying on you/taking your liberties through the Patriot Act, NDAA, EEA, etc?

You may argue that about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid... though Paul's promised not to touch them much during a first term... but they would be better in the hands of the states.

America gains a lot more for "protecting" those nations, then they lose in paying for a million soldiers oversees. The nations we "occupy" are of great value to the US economy and to allow us to influence the world in a way that benefits America. Already it can be seen how the less influence we have, the more willing other countries are to go against us in both economic and politcal ways. We wouldn't want Russia to influence how and what Europeans trade with us or China to influence how and what asians trade with us.

German and Japanse car companies are not costing USA jobs... American car companies making products that Americans would rather not buy are costing USA jobs. And regardless the job loss is  minimum. Its not like Toyota makes the cars overseas and ships them over to the United States. They are build here in the United States, just like cars GM sells in China are build in China... 

Big government will be missed. As bad as education is it could get a lot worse. Food regulation as well. Business regulation, etc, etc. State Government is just as much a part of government as the federal government and has proven many times to be just as incompetent. What makes you think they can make things perfect. I am all for limited the government's ability to spy on us. There are plenty of bad things I would enjoy getting rid of. But being spied on doesn't really affect my day to day life as much as if I had to worry about food being even less so regulated than it is now, or if employees could collectivly agree on a maximum wage any of them would give to a worker in my field. Yes states are suppose to take care of that, but there is no doubt in my mind, at least initially, things will get a lot worse. So I would rather wait and vote for a candidate that is willing to focus on getting rid of what I find are the bad parts of big government than one that gets to completely get rid of it.