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padib said:

This post is a beauty. You're quite right here. But that's why I mentioned, after the 2.5 mention, that they would have to bring HW back to the black in order to recoup the other factors I didn't consirder, but which you mentioned, namely and most importantly advertising. In terms of cost of development, if you're gonna say the SDKs aren't a good source of profit, I'll counter-negotiate and say the cost of development isn't considerable. Taking into account the heavy-hitters aka Mario Kart, Mario, et al. As a best case scenario and example, NSMB. @ 25Million total (for the sake of argument), over say 3 years, that' like 8Mil units yearly. Multiply that by 27$ publisher gain, that's 8*27 -> 217Mil. What's 20Mil (worst case scenario) to 217? Just a tenth, and it's a one-shot cost, whereas the 8Mil is yearly. So if SDKs aren't considerable, I would say game production costs for heavy-hitters are negligeable. But even if we consider the small hitters at say 1 to 3 mil. Okay 1.5Mil * 27 -> 40.5Mil .  Assuming low cost for small hitters at let's say 5Mil$ a pop. That's 1 eight of total returns. Can you really consider it? There must be more meaningful numbers.

But to tie in to your post, help me understand, what do you see the tie-ratio be, first party, then 3rd party? (of course 1st party being the most meaningful for Nintendo figures)

TBH I have no idea how much a Wii U dev kit actually costs (I only know the PS3 had a price cut to $2000 a few years in) or how many they sell but if we say there are ~500 developers that need on average 5 Dev Kitts at $1500 of profit (assuming that Nintendo aren't discounting them heavally to try and drum up support), that is ~$37 million or 2-3 AAA games budgets .Note I pulled all those numbers out of my ars and have no actual idea so pour a sack of salt on it... If anyone actually knows how much they cost, profit margines and how many devs actually need feel free to pipe up lol

As for your question I found this

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20988

I am not sure if that includes Wii Sports or not and is after Super Smash Bros and Mario Kart Wii released.



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