Phoeniks.Wright said:
->Even so, it was still a minority view. I have been lurking game sites since 2006, so I remember that the predominant view was the one I outlined.
the gaming industry's view chnaged big time after PS3's launch and by 2007 thy were predicting PS3 going down,there is a big difference in 1 year you know.i was not talking about 2006 when PS brand was the biggest thing
-> Hmm, why would a good games library help the PS3?Well, since you buy a video game console to play games, good games will encourage you to buy it. Simple.
yeah but people buy new consoles to get the new action not old,old games are good to have but what people really want is the new experience
PS3 only came through as you said: if the brand was so strong, it should have been selling PS2 numbers, but that never happened. But good games sure helped it.
no it wouldn't have as the cost and initial shortages made dev's think not to make so many games and so devs back out
2 things win it when starting a new console,install base which would have happened because of brand name but shortages led to low sales and by the time they corrected shortages,consumers relaised that the price was not worth as games didn't come out
so both consumers and devs backed out and created a panic
As for the Wii U, since it's the anti-Wii, it only makes sense that the Wii brand must first be tarnished for the Wii U to exist. Even if it had launched in 2010 it would be a failure.
yeah sure i agree but i don't think it is that anti-wii
and the way WiiU is going it is bery risky strategy to make people get excited behind a platform every 5 years which ninty does
thwe way to go?
either ninty overlaped Wii with WiiU which would have been great and been risk-free when Wii was very relevant like in 2010 as this strategy helps the existing brand to launch a new console.
but as time went by Wii brand going down will go against WiiU and Wii would have to be very very innovative to get the consumers in which we still have to
though to overlap you need the new console to be much much better which didn't happen with 3DS and thats why they are going against each other
revenue source as you said from old console is good but not when it is going against you r new product which is gonna help you in the future.
DS is fine like you say but noway is it gonna help ninty in the future
-> I'm not too familiar with this, but I'll take your word for it. Nevertheless, I was thinking more about just what the PS3 made, not so much the whole gaming division and Sony in general.
u have to take it in concern as PS3's main problem was price and blu-ray cause it which sony as a company wanted for royalties.
sony did the same for DVD but DVD prices had come down unlike BLU-RAY.
SONY is a tech company and they want revenue resources like royalties
-> I just read the definition of business ecosystem as written by Moore, and by that definition talking about ecosystems is possible starting with the industrial revolution,
i am talking about OS ecosytems not buisness or other industry related.
one example used is Ford and the car industry in the early 1900's. So ecosystems have existed for a long time.
video game industry an tech and computers are nowhere nar as mature as car industry
-> If you're saying that brand overlapping is bad, since that's how it sounds, I have to object, since the PS2 had an identical brand to the PS1, and that didn't harm it in any way. Then the PS3 came along, with the same brand, and they messed up pretty bad.
it isn't but there shouldn't be a gap between brand relvancy and new product launch and that new console should be far bettter than the old,this is what is happneing with 3DS and WiiU
about PS2,they did launch when PS1 brand was big
-> The philosophy behind the Wii U would have prevented it's success, whether it would have launched now, or at any other time. As for the 3DS, when you hear that, the only thing that comes to your mind is that it's a DS with 3D. Maybe more powerful, but the brand still revolves around the fact that it's a 3D capable device.
exactly.
->When? In 2006? Software and hardware were different, but you only have to go back to jnuary 2011 to make that statement, when the 3DS hadn't launched yet. And as I pointed out, ecosystems have existed for a long time, but were only defined in 1993, so at least they have "existed" as you think since 1993.
they have come very much together as processing power became more equal on all devices,before only on PC and consoles
now on TV with streming options and new internet connectivity and phones which earlier didn't compete with handheld
When you say that HW and SW are coming together, you're going to have to make it clearer what you mean, since the only thing coming to mind is the arcades when 1 machine = 1 game. Which I don't know why we'd be coming back, since that would narrow down consumer choice.
i meant the way phones and tv's interacted few years ago
internet connectively and wireless communications and processing power that today's phones have
todya's integrated streamline systems. -> What does this even mean? It's so vague.
all systems are interacting and coming together,just look at what APPLE is doing.
iCLOUD is gonna bring them even near.
-> You sound very much like a tech junkie. If I safely assume that you are, it would explain your line of thinking. You seem to dream of an all encompassing device, or a competely interconnected world, with the computer at the center, just like in those houses of the future things. Yeah, not going to happen any time soon.
i know about tech but i donot think in a futursitic sense,i actually am pretty nostalgic and like the traditional
Sony and Microsoft tried and failed to do this with the PS3 and X360,
MS,XOBOX was a low level brand back in the day so MS could never do ity.even today.
SONY can and would have if not for blu-ray coming inway of its uptake
you need a powerfull brand for people to accpet new tech,the way apple run's the show
also you need HW and SW departments where MS always falters
if you look at what SONY is doing with XPERIA phones,tablets,VITA,bravia and will do with PS4 which will be the msot vital do company's strategy as it will push the OS uptake
the way APPLE's did with its products to slowly cause an iOS uptake
sony already has its own streaming services through PSP,PS3,BRAVIA,XPERIA and will have with tablets
also by stremlining i don't mean to stright interact with devices as that is not needed today as internet itself is so sommon so people transfer data through it.
and people have been trying this since the 1980's, what makes you think they'll be succeeding?
nobody had both HW and SW come together APPLE did make it come together and SONY will too.
MS can be the third but it doesn't have a full hardware lineup like the other too.
Android will die and SONY will branch out as too much fragmentation and if you bring the fragmenting together then the cmanufactures will have troublem differentiating devices will will make it fall
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