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[Kantor]

sapphi_snake said:

Kantor said:

sapphi_snake said:

Kasz216 said:

Well hell,  the times he lived in were depressing.  The level of power the working class has in any democracy today would shock marx greatly, as he literally thought it was impossible.

Essentially Marx was going off a "we're screwed we gotta tip the whole system over" mindset.

Well, back then it was the evil bourgeois who ran things, so you can see where he was coming from. (it's not as if things have changed though)

Because Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev were all impoverished, right?

Oddly enough, one of the central beliefs of socialism seems to be that the ruling class is extraordinarily wealthy and powerful. Look at the Labour Party.

Marx wrote the Communis Manifesto, and was the one who theorized it all. Those individuals had nothing to do with him.

Also, Marx theorized that the ruling class was the bourgeois (aka middle class), not the upper class.

Those individuals have everything to do with him. They executed his philosophy to the best of their ability, and it was disastrous, because:

a) What he proposed was impossible, and

b) The nearest approximation to what he proposed was Soviet Communism, which, as bad as capitalist democracy is, was considerably worse than capitalist democracy.