9/11 was a conspiracy not a conspiracy theory

[trestres]

The_vagabond7 said:

trestres said:
Why do some people here not even doubt a bit about the USA government? Why do you accept every claim they make. After a long history of deceives and lies, why blindly believe the "official story". Independent researches are most of the times a better indication of what actually happened.

I guess you see most independent experts such as those of Blue Print as insane conspiracists that all of a sudden saw the opportunity to attack the government after years of waiting in secret for something like this to happen (isn't that a conspiracy theory at its best?). These people are risking their credibility and are among the most important in the industry. Why risk it? Why even care if people would dismiss you as a crazy extremist? It's because the truth is not what we all were told. It's painfully obvious that these chains of events including the consequences (wars, new legislations, tax money for investigations, etc) are not casual.

Believe what you want, but it enrages me, and I'm not even a US citizen, that some US citizens feel attacked whenever someone suggests that what your government is telling you is not the truth. Even if the attacks happened without previous knowledge and all buildings collapsed without any external assistance, the wars that followed, the liberties that were taken away and all the money sunken in dubious investigations are an accurate indicator that there were ulterior motives for the attacks. It was just the detonator. I'm really sad that people keep on ignoring the truth because it hurts them.

I think the US government is corrupt, inneffectual, and a farce. But there is a difference between saying my neighbor is an asshole, and saying my neighbor has a pile a mutilated corpses in his basement that he eats. Especially when there is no evidence of mutilated corpses in the basement and the guys claiming the contrary are the wierd hobo, the guy that can't stop talking about the jews, and some random asshole that just likes attention.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And the claim that the US orchestrated the destruction of one of it's own landmarks in a plan to make itself the jack ass idiot of the world that is stupidly in debt and make china the next great world power, is not a great theory, and is an extraordinary one.  There are biologists that argue against evolution in the year  2011, and geologists that claim the earth is 6000 years old in the year 2011. The fact that you can find an educated idiot is not evidence of anything that idiot says. You can find people that say they saw bigfoot, or say that they were anally probed by lizard people. Scientology manages to be immensely profitable. The fact that you can find idiots that claim they've witnessed or experienced things does not mean Tom Cruise has telekenetic healing powers. And a few random jack asses saying they saw explosions, or say they have a degree in engineering and they don't understand how it could happen, are not extraordinary forms of evidence, anymore than the geologist that claims the grand canyon was formed in 40 days by a flood, or some dude that claims he wrestled the chupacobra.

The American government is stupid and broken, and our media is just reality TV hosted by people with degrees in journalism. But that doesn't make the 911 theories less stupid.

There's evidence that support the "conspiracists". And then there's missing evidence that was either destroyed or transformed that could have helped clear countless unknowns. There's also people who mysteriously changed their points of view over the course of the investigations. At least you don't flat out deny the possibility that this might be an inside job by either the govt. or some other group of people.

And please, don't bring any mysticism or gnosticism here, those are laughable. What  independent scientists managed to get from the little evidence they got, is proof, they aren't inventing anything. Most don't even want to go into the "why's" but simply present us with evidence so that we could form our own conclusions. And I don't think US government is dumb, in fact they are among the smartest governments. USA is the biggest power in the world and that won't change anytime soon, but the fact that their moves always favour a few among their citizens truly enraging. Sacrificing human life in an endless war is terrible. Avoidable wars that have been going on non-stop since WW2. Isn't it strange that since the beginning of last century, USA has always been provoked into wars? They are always the victims. And the aggressors are always small countries that wouldn't be able to scratch the US defense, and like always, they are all far away from their borders. Not even one country attacked the USA on its homeland, save for Japan (and that's a whole story on its own). The US economy greatly depends on the wars waged outside their borders, that's why believing that these attacks are a pretext for war isn't that outrageous. That's why you get people speculating about everything that happened on 9/11 and all the big coincidences that had to take place in order for the attacks to be carried on and also the effects that these caused. The post 9/11 scenario was simply a dream come true for some people.

Finally, I don't deny that there's a chance everything happened like the official story says, but there are so many holes left behind by it that it's not easy not to believe otherwise. I wish we someday may know the truth and that justice will prevail. Hopefully, as humans, we can all change for the best. I wish the same to my countries politicians who are among the most corrupted ones in world's history. Ignorance remains the biggest weapon any group of people have to become more powerful and dominant. Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.