| Viper1 said: 1. So business discrimination is only dissolved by government force? Considering the movement itself, I'd say the peopel themelves were already moving toward such notions and by today would have cicumstnaces exactly as the one I described. 2. Right wing spend less money? Didn't George W. Bush give education the largest budgetary increase in US history? Lot of good that did. Money itself isn't the problem. It's the attitude toward education as a nation, the reduced role parents play in it and the lack of real world applied education studies. This used to be a country of trades and now it's a country of services thanks to the failed direction of government education. 3. So the UN didn't push us into Libya, eh? As for Iraq, we never should have went..period. WMD's? Are you kidding me? The UN is no longer a defensive body. It, along with the US, not engages in preventative war. Tell me, where is the UN and NATO in central Africa? Where is most needed in this world. Nowhere to be found. Why? Because central Africa doesn't serve our intersts or supply our oil. But the UN went into Libya...because it's the largest oil reserves in Africa and 9th in the world. 4. You do recall that gold coins exist, yes? Or the fact that less than 1/10th of the US currency is actually held in hard currency (cash and coins). That means 9/10 th's are nothign but financial documents (paper and digital) valued ot the dollar. Along with gold (and silver) coinage, a competing currency could be the same type of financial documents only valued on gold. 5. Some might though again you go back to the idea of voting with yoru feet. If a state gets bad, people move and the state government will be forced to change. 6. Doesn't have to be short term, just moving in the right direction. Obama is rasiing the debt ceiling and adding almost $4 trillion to our deficit this year alone. Why not close 90% of our 900 foreign military bases, move to an opt in/opt out medicare/medicaid/social security system, restore the concpet of American manufacturing and hold the debt ceiling as an actual ceiling and it won't take but a decade the and debt is gone with no income tax needed. 7. This is simply ridiculous. After the Treaty of Versailles, any of the big European nations could have stopped Hitler from rising to power but they did nothing. Not even after he invaded part of France in the early 1930's. In fact, France didn't even try to stop him at all. The treaty stated Germany's military was only allowed to be so big but when Hitler began increasing everything well beyond those limits, nobody is Europe said anything about it, much less tried to bring him into a tribunal. 8. Which is the whole point of school vouchers.
Rather silly to blame WW2 on our non-interventionist policy at the time. Let's reverse that and ask do you think we'd have modern terrorism if we stayed out of the Middle East after 1940? |
1) You don't think racists still exist in the USA despite the fact that it's illegal?
2) George Bush was a crappy President in general. The core of the right-wing is low taxation and low spending. And I agree, the American education system sucks, but removing funding isn't going to fix that. Fixing it will be difficult.
3) No, the UN did not push you into Libya. The UN has nearly 200 member nations, and how many of them helped with the no-fly zone? Iraq was Bush and Blair's idea, they did it in violation of the United Nations. Besides which, the Security Council dominates the UN, so the USA has more power over it than any other country. In fact, Russia and China calm it down, if anything. Also, the UN is in Central Africa. It's just not supported there by its member nations. Are you really saying the world would be better off with no United Nations? We would have destroyed ourselves 40 years ago.
4) Let's just agree to disagree here. It's not a huge issue anyway.
5) In that way, every corrupt country ever should have collapsed. Why do people still live in North Korea, China, Libya and Iran?
6) Because that would force tens of millions of people into starvation and decrease life expectancy, and would be an enormous national security risk?
7) Nobody in Europe did anything about it because America refused to get involved. Hitler was extraordinarily powerful - he defeated France in a week, came close to invading the UK, and was able to fight the UK, USA and Soviet Union combined before he messed everything up. If America hadn't got involved at all, he probably would have won.
8) Vouchers are fine, I suppose.
And if we'd stayed out of the Middle East after the war, no, we wouldn't have modern terrorism, but I can guarantee you that we would have had something much worse.
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