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darthdevidem01 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
padib said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"the Cafe will be the first time we see Nintendo, as a developer, make games with high fidelity graphics"

As thekitchensink pointed out, you really need to look at Nintendo's history.

And graphical fidelity is a shallow reason to get exicted about a game. As in it's caring about the games based on their appearance without taking artistry or content into account.

This was the kind of attitude I hoped the Wii and DS would kill.

And the cost increase that come with those graphics will come at the cost of content, because we've already see it happen.

Most of the normal gamers are excited, honestly...

It's not because some games enjoy more crisp detail that others have to! Gee. Take the Endless Ocean video, and give it HD. You'd have to be really stubborn not to see the potential improvement. You're preaching to the choir, I've enjoyed my retro games like crazy, but I do also enjoy my HD! Metroid Prime in HD would be totally insane. That doesn't get you excited?

Nintendo is a beast, they've done cutting edge in the past. It's not because you have cutting edge that you have to have bleeding costs. There's a balance there!


The cutting edge this time is more expensive and time consuming than in the past. Development costs and times are inflated.

And player fun is often a second consideration over a developer's vision, or for just copying an established hit as it's too risky to experiment.

Basically this direction heralds more games like Other M and Heavy Rain, which are not mainstream hits, and games this expensive need the mainstream more than ever. But financial reports show the mainstream does NOT like this direction. And just because Nintendo gets involved doesn't mean the mainstream will, as they dropped Nintendo the last time they went anywhere near this direction (and I like the Gamecube, but I can see why it wasn't a hit).

Heavy Rain was a mainstream hit.


No. 1.73 million is not mainstream. Not when about a third was the opening week and it had to drag itself to this total. Since it didn't have legs, it means the sales were based on hype, not the actual game.

Yes, that applies to Wii games, so this isn't trying to make PS3 or 360 games look bad, as a number of their games have legs, while several Wii games are flashes in the pan. So was Heavy Rain, as much as Other M. But games like Just Dance and Dance Central (1.97 million, but in far less time) keep selling, as those are things the mainstream likes.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs