Obama calls for Israel to restore 1967 boundaries

[vlad321]

badgenome said:

vlad321 said:

badgenome said:

vlad321 said:

True. However we are talking about a specific region, and I really don't see how whether some peoples' posessoin of land or not has to with with claim to other land. As it stands, Mexicans have claim to Texas (which I don't agree with, just to make it clear).

Because Jews faced persecution basically worldwide, so they were drawn to a city to which they felt a strong connection and which already had a Jewish majority? That's rather different than if Mexico - which increasingly resembles a failed state - were to try and reclaim the quite functional Texas, which legitimately seceded for the purposes of self-determination and fought a revolution to that end.

You do realize there have been countless cultures who have disappeared throughout the ages correct?

Furthermore, there is no reason for the jews to feel a strong connection with that part of the world given how much their asses have been kicked there, and how many times they have been driven off. Just because they "feel" like that's their place, doesn't make it so. I "feel" I deserve a billion dollars, yet I don't see the UN giving it to me.

As for Texas, it was nothing like what you say. Mexico decided to be nice and let Americans in. THen the Americans started to bitch about Mexico and wanted to become part of America again, but without giving up their property in the middle of Mexico. The US had zero claim to Texas.

Fortunately, vlad, you don't get to tell people to what place they may or may not feel a connection, nor do you get to tell them to lay down and die. Also, how many times in your estimation do the Israelis need to beat back the Arabs before the Arabs should give up?

I'm not sure to what part of my description of the Texas Revolution you object. Tejanos joined the Texians in revolution, and it was absolutely in the name of self-determination. The fact that they briefly established the Republic of Texas rather than immediately joining the U.S. should tell you that.

As I said earlier, none of these "beating back Arabs" would have happened had the jews not been handed land that wasn't theirs, nor had external help in defending it. The jews had no right to the land there, which is my whole point. I also agreed with what Kasz was saying about how the situation should be more or less handled now that everything is all sorts of fucked.

My main objection is that it wouldn't have gotten far if the Americans that Mexico willfully allowed in weren't there. This would go in another discussion however because this can be expanded into a big argument in itself.