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badgenome on 24 May 2011
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vlad321 said:
badgenome said:
vlad321 said:


True. However we are talking about a specific region, and I really don't see how whether some peoples' posessoin of land or not has to with with claim to other land. As it stands, Mexicans have claim to Texas (which I don't agree with, just to make it clear).

Because Jews faced persecution basically worldwide, so they were drawn to a city to which they felt a strong connection and which already had a Jewish majority? That's rather different than if Mexico - which increasingly resembles a failed state - were to try and reclaim the quite functional Texas, which legitimately seceded for the purposes of self-determination and fought a revolution to that end.

You do realize there have been countless cultures who have disappeared throughout the ages correct?

Furthermore, there is no reason for the jews to feel a strong connection with that part of the world given how much their asses have been kicked there, and how many times they have been driven off. Just because they "feel" like that's their place, doesn't make it so. I "feel" I deserve a billion dollars, yet I don't see the UN giving it to me.

As for Texas, it was nothing like what you say. Mexico decided to be nice and let Americans in. THen the Americans started to bitch about Mexico and wanted to become part of America again, but without giving up their property in the middle of Mexico. The US had zero claim to Texas.

Fortunately, vlad, you don't get to tell people to what place they may or may not feel a connection, nor do you get to tell them to lay down and die. Also, how many times in your estimation do the Israelis need to beat back the Arabs before the Arabs should give up?

I'm not sure to what part of my description of the Texas Revolution you object. Tejanos joined the Texians in revolution, and it was absolutely in the name of self-determination. The fact that they briefly established the Republic of Texas rather than immediately joining the U.S. should tell you that.