Obama calls for Israel to restore 1967 boundaries

[vlad321]

Kasz216 said:

vlad321 said:

As I said, the British fucked everything up, and they should have just given up some spit of land in England if they were so eager to make a place for the jews.

The jews were slowly trickling in the region from well before Israel, due to tolerance. I didn't try to make it sound like they just realized they were unwanted, that was a fault on my part. I am also aware that Palestine has not been ruled locally in a long time, between the Byzantines then all the different Turkish. At the same time what we call Palestenians are those people who just happened to be in the region and they changed their culture depending on whoever was in control then.

See this is where I think your logic falls apart. Why do people who didn't have the will to stay and figure something out should be able to just come back and have back their land? They didn't fight for it when it was needed, nor did they assimilate to keep its claim. The ones that did have a much bigger claim to the land than the ones that just left and therefore deserve control over it. In one case you have "fuck my beliefs, let me have my land," and in the other you have "fuck my land, le me have my beliefs." The jews that were banished made their choice clear they don't care as much for their lands, so they don't deserve them.

Edit: I do agree more or less on the course of action you outlined, however I am just arguing how much claim Palestenians actually have to the land.

Again learn your history.

The Jews were forcibly removed from Israel by the romans after the Bar Kokhba revolt.  This was like... the third time Israel tried to fight for it's land.

The jews DID fight for it when needed, were lost and then forcibly removed by soldiers.

See what the US did to native Americans for a comparison.

Some of the fought, and then died. The rest got exiled due to failure of assimilation with the new conquerors. There have been genetic studies that have shown that the current Palestenians are very close genetically (paternal) to the Jews, and is currently believed they just happen to be the ones that converted whenever a new religoin came blowing in. The original Jews either got defeated, thus they lost their claim of the land, or relinquished their claim when they put their faith over their land. In either case, the original jews deserve no claim to the land. The jews who became christians and then muslims and generally stayed in the area have far more claim, seeing how they gave up their faith to keep it.