Obama calls for Israel to restore 1967 boundaries

[vlad321]

Kasz216 said:

vlad321 said:

MrBubbles said:

vlad321 said:

MrBubbles said:

superchunk said:

Guys don't argue with bubbles on this. I have many times and its pointless. He is so biased towards the thieves that he cannot see what they have stolen.

 

you come in attack me and then call the jews thieves? youre married to a palestinian, so maybe you should recheck whos biased.   i have no personal attachments in any of these conflicts, allowing me perfectly clear thought on the subject.

Funny, I have no stake in either nation's wellbeing and your extreme irrational bias is as plain as black on white.

thats because youre a bigot.  anyone who doesnt agree with you must be crazy right?  none of you people have any positions that could be put forward...only your pathetic desire to start personal attacks on me.  its just disgusting and it only proves how sad all your stances are.

Boy, isn't that jumping to conclusions right off the bat. But I will be honest, Israel has received immeasurable amount of help from the west, starting with that one US partitioning, or whatever it was called. Really, there would not be nearly as many problems had people just kept their traps shut and not partitioned Palestine to begin with, and then give material support to Israel. The truth is, without other nation's butting in there probably wouldn't be an Israel in the location it is right now. I don't want to personally attack you, but it is really hard not to given your strong bias on the issue. You also ignore what I jsut said, in that Israel shouldn't have existed in the first palce to begin with, or at least not in the location it's presently at.

There was never a US partitioning...

I'm going to take a stab and guess you mean the way the UN divided things...(mostly a UK concern) which caused the arabs to say "No" and then invade Israel along with a bunch of allies... lose and sign an arminstice which is now considered the 1967 boredrs.

Which neither the Palestinians or Israelis really agree on because well... arminstices aren't actually legal agreements of borders.  Those happen in ceasefires.

So Palestine still thinks things should go by the UN resolution that they rejected(Outside Hamas anyway which is even more extreme) while Israel believes that the borders are still undefined as such a thing can only be negotiated during the ceasefire, and no official borders have ever been drawn up and agreed on.

I don't know how one couldn't logically agree with the Israelis on this point.

Emotionally you could make arguements, but by the letter of the law... by not agreeing to the partitioning, there are no defined borders.

Had the west NOT intervened.  Those areas would still be under Ottoman control.  Since they only came under control by accepting western help by revolting agaisnt the Ottomans... in promise that they would be free of the Ottomans.  Worked out for basically everywhere but Palestine because the british promised it to both.

Hence the need for a split.

I TOTALLY meant the UN, I guess it was too early in the morning/late at night and typed an S instead of an N, or a freudian slip. Sorry. In my following post I did refer it correctly to the UN.

As for who it originally belongs to, whoever had the land before the Ottomans, should get it back afterwards. Maybe I am wrong, but I remember that with the exception of a few cities and areas here and there, the area was predominantly muslim, not jewish. Which is where the British really fucked things up. As I mentioned a bit later, the biggest idiots in this whole conflict is the west.