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axt113 said:
zarx said:
axt113 said:
zarx said:
axt113 said:

No need to counter, look at the sales of the 3DS, what is happening in reality is the best argument of them all


How does the fact that the 3DS is selling slightly below expectations due to high price, a gimmick that people don't want (3D) and lack of compelling content from Nintendo exept for casual or oldschool gamers (which is a deliberate move by Nintendo to try and make a more favorable market for 3rd parties) not to mention so many god damn ports counter anything I have said?

It counters your argument if anything...

Nintendo has traditionally been very holliday heavy anyway and we won't really know how the 3DS is doing untill the holidays.

So are you even going to try?


How does it counter my argument at all?  Casual and old school games, ROFL, the 3DS lineup is far from a casual and old school friendly lineup, nothing you have said has disproved my argument that Nintendo is going in a wrong direction, and the sales completely support my argument.

I see no point in trying to refute your points when they really have no basis in reality and that assessment will be continued to be borne out in sales.


but all may aguments have data to back them up.

So are you saying that Pilot wings, Nintendogs and a 2D fighting game are not casual or old school? They are all simple pick up and play games.

lets look at Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for a seccond a game that has sold over 25 million copies is a 3D sandbox one of the most complex genres in video games and Call of Duty: BO another 3D game that has sold over 25 million. Obviusly Nintendo should just make sandbox games, FPS' and sports themed minigame collections from now on because they sell the best obviusly they have been going in the wrong direction as these games sell the best...

See I can make your agrument as well

Also the origonal Super Mario Bros sold over 40 million New Super Mario Bros. Wii only managed 22 million obviusly 2D Mario sales are declining and Nintendo should be trying to find more successfull themes because at this rate sales will be below 3D mario...

minigame collections and Kart racers on the other hand have never sold better...

Oh I forgot you are really just but hurt that Nintendo aren't making the 2D marios and 8-bit games that you like.


I'm saying as I have been saying, its not just about one game (if you think that, you have misunderstood my argument), its a direction, you need more than just pilotwings and nintendogs to set up a direction of the system, these are just two games, when the big games announced are OoT and a 3D mario, its clear the direction is all wrong, and the sales are bearing it out, games like 3D Mario and OoT just don't have the value for customers to buy the 3DS, they goin a wrong direction for most consumers.

Look at the Wii, for an example of percieved direction when it launched,people could easily see the direction of the system, it was designed to get people into gaming, to expand the audience and  combat disinterest in gaming, and there was a lineup, both at launch and announced that was pushing that direction.

Comparing the original Mario which was a bundled game to NSMB Wii is a poor argument, you can't really compare the sales as the situation of the two games was different.

San Andreas and a few shooters like COD,  are well selling games, although not the 25 million you think, San Andreas on the PS2 and XB sold a little over 21 million combined, but those are a couple of breakout titles, and whether they drive momentum on a system is debatable (PS3 and 360 were loaded with them and yet for most of the gen trailed the Wii badly, only Nintendo's own mistakes caused the Wii to decline below the sales levels of the PS3 and 360), this is not a path for Nintendo to take, since creating games that will combat these two already well established franchises as well as many other clones is a waste of resources and time.  This is why its a good third party title to make, but not really a first party title.

The casual/mainstream consumer lapsed gamer what ever you want to call them are not looking at release lists to see what's comming they are not like the core that will buy a system for future games, they will wait untill there is compelling software that they want, ether being advertised to them or they hear about them through word of mouth.

No of course Pilot wings and Nintendogs is not enough, because it's old short content that is way overpriced, Nintendo's reall problem right now (other than content that will come in time and price) is competition, none of the games on the 3DS that aren't ports is of low quality or to similar to past games, while the DS, iOS, Android and in Japan the PSP all have more cheaper content and that is why the 3DS isn't selling. It has nothing to do with direction or future games, it all has to do with the current lack of good origonal content and high price oh and in my opnion terrible advertising. Content is coming, lots of it with tones of veriaty and by the end of the year 3DS sales will have picked up, mark my words once Kart Mario and the eShop are up to speed sales will pick up, but also the sales will not explode untill the first redesign comes in with a bigger battery Nintendo handhelds always sell much better after the first redesign. 

NSMB Wii was bundled and I thought that that was an obvius joke anyway...

Actually every COD after 4 has sold over 20 mill, and while they are brakeout hits so were NSMB, Wii fit/play etc. As for GTA's sales you are forgetting the PC and XBLA versions  it's sold over 25 mill. As for the PS360 sales if you had read my previus posts you would know why that is they were too core focused so hardware suffered but software is stronger if you remove the slaes of Wii sports from the Wii's software totals you would see that both the 360 and PS3 have better tie ratios (number of games sold per console) are much better than the Wii's. 

Drwaing a diverse range of consumers to the console is a first party title's job as well as to make money, just one type of game will lead to a consumer base that will only buy a lot of one type of game. Which unfortunatly for the Wii Nintendo managed to do despite it's best efforts. Also you will notice that the only 2D platformer to sell well on the Wii is NSMB Wii, Nintendo's other attempts to tap into that market (Kirby, Donky kong etc) all did worse than Galaxy.



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