dib8rman said:
pizzahut451 said:
dib8rman said:
The second thing that I said above was that Stalin slew not just theists but atheists as well, the numbers for the atheists can't seem as large as the christian numbers only because there were less of them and they were harder to pick out. You can't exactly figure out what a person is if they have no belief - it was only by the fact that these atheists were in political or social opposition to Stalin that they were bought to death.Did he kill atheists because communsm was agaisnt it? I mean the reason he killed theists was because of religion, and that proves my statment that Stalin opressed theists. He killed atheists in much smaller numbers and for whole other reasons
It isn't such a complicated fact to grab, Stalin killed anyone who was against him or held opposing ideologies.Yet he killed theist people who didnt represent a threat to him in any way, but communism is agaisnt religion so he head to persecute them It can only be hard to understand by a theist in denial of the fact that religion is policy making and thus Stalin sought to be rid of that as wellWhy does it matter what it is? My statement was that he persecuted and killed theists based on thier belifs with his atheist suppurted regime, and because religion is a policy making makes no diffrence at all. He was still killing christians and muslims during his rulership for being theists. That by doing this all Stalin was doing was exercising his powers as a despot.
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I see, your issue is that you don't see Religion as a political ideology as well, I'm sorry but I've asked what the difference was so many times I forgot that theists can make that distinction on no grounds what so ever. Religion is a beleif based system, politics is not, its only simillar to politics if you look at the political leader as greater power than man, the flawless Lord of
I could say that Christianity, Islam, Judeism and so on all attempt to craft policy or in otherwords each has ways in which they dictate what to do to the common manThey dont dicate they give you a choice, you dont have to follow them or thier rules. If God was controlling all of our minds that you would have a point, but He gave us free will, so He isnt dictating anyone., that god or jesus is the top of the food chainBecause the one is God and the other is the son of God, the last time i checked, the Stalin wasnt neither. He was a mortal man. so to speak and that theists do not see this as a form of totalitarianism and that if Jesus or Mohammad or the son of David were to exist now they would if their doctrine followed to the T be just as likely despots like Stalin was, I forgot that theists do not see it that way.They would be followed, but they wouldnt be feard of, and the people would still have the CHOICE NOT to listend to them, and that means its not a dicttorship, like in Stalins case
The logic here is simple:
Christianity sais Jesus or the Lord or both or even a Holy Spirit or for some people Joseph Smith must be loved and feared.
It never said Jesus must be feard of, and I never even heard of this Jospeh Smith Guy, and if God said people must obbey him, He would just make us do so, like Stalin did to his people, he wouldnt give us free will
Stalin sais he must be loved and feared
And almost everyone who didnt ended up working like slave or dead
Atheism sais they are both wrong, you shouldn't have to love someone much less love someone you fear - the essance of sadomasochism.
Communisam supports atheism, its an atheist ideology, it banns religion, denies God and it persecutes theists. Its a wel know fact
If you want a real example of a Stalin like communism today look no further than North Korea. Where the dear leader Kim Jong-il was mythed to have been born and birds sang of it in Korean of none-the-less.
Yet he was still a man. You seem to have a problem making the difrence between these God and a man. I mean, are you seriously comparing God and Lord Jesus Christ to Stalin and Kim II Sung?
If you ask any North Korean Kim is a god, the only other god for them is the great leader which is his father Kim Il- Sung who is still president by the way. (He's dead)
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