China's One Child Policy is a great policy.

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dib8rman said:

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numonex said:

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Uh, you do realise comunism is an atheist ideology that persecutes theists? God knows how many christians stalin persecuted and killed during his rulership. communisam banns religion and church in the country...

"This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness" - Karl Marx

The first problem when talking about communism is knowing how to distinguish communism from the results of social aspects within communism. Socialism is in it's bases form a set of tools that attempt to fully reach a egalitarian end with the catalyst being altruism, Communism is in itself a method of managing the results of socialism, which is centralizing power. Now one thing that people fail to note about Communists regimes in history like Stalin is that not only did he kill the religious he also killed political adversaries, this included those of non-belief, a whole group of Anarchist some Atheist supporters of Stalin were wiped out once he showed his meglomania. If there is any truth to this that should be obvious it's that Stalin's actions showed the typical signs of a tyrant wanting to assert his domain.

This also throws out your statement that Communism in itself aims to kill theists. Stalins agenda had nothing to do with Atheism as even today in some areas ofRussia people still idolize him or Putin in a way someone may call near deified.

Communisam is against religion and banns every religious holiday in the country as well as the church. Stalin DID persecute theists and religious people. These are both well know facts, what are you trying to prove?

That there is a difference between application and what's on paper, that communism by Marx's position wouldn't call on the slaughter of theists while communism by Stalin would.

The second thing that I said above was that Stalin slew not just theists but atheists as well, the numbers for the atheists can't seem as large as the christian numbers only because there were less of them and they were harder to pick out. You can't exactly figure out what a person is if they have no belief - it was only by the fact that these atheists were in political or social opposition to Stalin that they were bought to death.

It isn't such a complicated fact to grab, Stalin killed anyone who was against him or held opposing ideologies. It can only be hard to understand by a theist in denial of the fact that religion is policy making and thus Stalin sought to be rid of that as well. That by doing this all Stalin was doing was exercising his powers as a despot.

But that doesnt disprove my points. Communism IS agaisnt organised religion adn Stalin DID persecute theists.An atheist Stalin with communist regime,(which is atheism supported ideology) persecuted, enslaved and killed theists, because they were religios people. He also did persecute atheists but not because they were atheists, because he was an atheist himself