PS3 and 360 software sales - A second look

[Barozi]

goforgold said:

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goforgold said:

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many many bundles. I'm quite sure Resistance 2 sold about the same as Fall of Man.

no resistance 1 was a lunch title, one of the very few actually good ones, stop trying to something out of nothing

sry to burst your bubble but that is a fact.

Resistance Fall of Man, Motorstorm and to a lesser extent Uncharted Drake's Fortune were heavily bundled.

Back in mid 2007 it was almost impossible to buy a PS3 without Resistance and Motorstorm in Europe.

http://www.pcwelt.de/news/PS3-Starter-Pack-Dickes-Playstation-3-Bundle-fuer-Europa-131783.html

 

I did some calculations I think back in 2009 or so. At least 1.5m units of each Motorstorm and Resistance were bundled. For Uncharted I think it was "only" around 500k.

And for the fairness, Forza 2 got bundled 2m times and Forza 3 1.5m times.

 a link about a random bundle in German now means MASSIVE bundling???

and "your calculations", hahahahahahahaha ok let me try

by my calculations 60% of the forza franchise sales are bundles.

now to insert random pointless link

http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/forza-2-and-marvel-alliance-bundle/67438

hmmmm that was easy..... oh I forgot *This is SO FACT non debatable* I haz gotz a link

my link confirms that instead of a pricecut like in the US, SCEE is shipping these bundles to ALL SCEE-territories.

You haven't provided ANYTHING that could debunk this (which is impossible anyway since it's the truth). Now instead of telling me that Forza was bundled for half a year (so called "holiday bundle"), which I already said in my last post, better stop trolling and come up with something that really matters.

btw. my calculations were based on VGC numbers and the dates when the bundles were actively sold, so they aren't imaginary in any way and just as reliable as everything else on this site.

 

Here said bundle (2007):

http://www.gameguru.in/sony-playstation-3/2007/13/e3-2007-sony-introduces-ps3-starter-pack/

and another one (2008):

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/genji/news.html?sid=6184643

this isn't even a resistance bundle

and actually another one (2009):

http://www.1up.com/news/sony-readying-resistance-motorstorm-ps3

 

All official Sony bundles that went on for several months.

Forza 1

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Bundle-Forza-Motorsport/dp/B000B6ML3W

Forza 2

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/792/792508p1.html

http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/forza-2-and-marvel-alliance-bundle/67438

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/search_10151_10104?keyword=xbox 360 forza 2 bundle&kmaxxbo=1

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-br-49-en-70-2ngs.html

http://n4g.com/news/35696/european-forza-2-bundle-revealed

Forza 3

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/17/250gb-forza-motorsport-3-bundle-announced-for-uk-south-africa/

http://kotaku.com/#!5679166/xbox-360-gets-a-holiday-bundle-for-the-us

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-120GB-Elite-Spring-Bundle/dp/B002I0J8ZS

 

I thought I made it up O_O

oh that's what I consider MISSIVE bundleing....

anyway, Resistance 1 and Motorsorm can attribute the majority of thier sales dude to being LUNCH titles for the ps3.

1. where did I say the majority ?

I said 1.5m which less than half of the actual sales, so it's not the majority.

2. Why do you put up links for the Forza bundles ? I confirm it now for the 3rd time already. Yes they have been bundled quite a lot.

In case of Forza 2:

You basically provided 2 types of links:

- launch bundle

Every major game has one, but they are very limited. 50k-100k MAX (CoD MW2 had I think 80k and Killzone 3 around 50k)

- software bundle

Very few of them because they were part of the holiday bundle which is going to be my next topic. It's not bundled with hardware so this should be seen as normal sales anyway.

 

But you missed the most important one:

- holiday bundle

Forza 2 & Marvel Ultimate Alliance and to a lesser extent Forza 2 & Viva Pinata. They make by far the majority of these bundles. 2m sold between them. You can easily see them on Forza 2's sales page and on Ultimate Alliance's sales page.
Why do you think Ultimate Alliance got over 2m sales on 360 ? Because of that one bundle.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15781

October 2007 - January 2008 (officially though there were remaining ones that were sold afterwards)

 

In case of Forza 3 and I'm keeping this short. Look at the sales page and you will clearly see when the bundling started and when it ended. Count the numbers together and you'll get around 1.5m, thus leaving the "real" sales of Forza 3 by more than 3m.

 

3. Your understanding of MASSIVE seems to be off. Motorstorm and Resistance bundles WERE massive. I think you still don't understand so I'll say it again.

In July 2007 Sony Computer Entertainment Europe released the MS/RFOM 60GB bundle in Europe. It was officially the ONLY sku in WHOLE Europe for MONTHS. You COULDN'T buy a PS3 without these games at that time.

The 2008 Pick N Mix bundle wasn't as big, but still an official one. You said it wasn't a Resistance bundle, but you could choose 2 of the following games:

MotorStorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, Genji: Days of the Blade, Formula One Championship Edition, Ridge Racer 7, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Folklore, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, Warhawk, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, SingStar

Of course not everyone of them were sold with Motorstorm AND Resistance, but looking at the other games it's likely that at least one of them did.

Also in 2008 here is another one: Motorstorm 80GB bundle for the US

http://everyjoe.com/technology/no-more-ps3-80gb-motorstorm-bundle/

And last but not least the 80GB Motorstorm & Resistance bundle in 2009.

Again the last 3 ones were optional, but there weren't really any other bundles available at that time, so why not get one of these instead of a PS3 without any games ? First one was mandatory.
That is massive bundling. Just as Forza 2 or Forza 3.