thismeintiel said:
Michael-5 said:
FinalEvangelion said:
thismeintiel said:
Good grief, how long is this thread/argument going to last? How many times are we going to hear about channel stuffing? Doesn't it wear any of you out having to make that excuse, as well as find justification for it, each quarter? The cold hard face that none of you want to face is, SONY CANNOT STUFF THE CHANNEL 4 QUARTERS IN A ROW. Yet, some of you still make the argument. This is because of the other fact that Sony does not control how many PS3's stores have. Retailers are in charge of their own stock, which includes how much they order. Even if it's around the holidays and Sony is offering some special deal, retailers are still in charge of what they order. If if they have millions of PS3's in their warehouse's collecting dust, as some of you seem to think, they will not order more. And the only time they will return a product is if they and the seller make a special deal where if x amount of product is not sold, the seller will buy it back. First of all, that's not going to happen to any console this gen, as they are all still selling pretty well and warrant new shipments. And second, a retailer never wants to go through the trouble of shipping them back (and I would imagine the seller would require the retailerr to cover the cost of shipping.) They would rather push the console out the door, which leads to the sales of games and accessories for that console, as that's where they make most of their profit.
You know, at first I was hoping that Sony would outship MS by a 1 or 2 by the end of this year or sometime in 2012, just so there would be no need to have threads like this anymore. Unfortunately, I'm starting to see that even if PS3 outships the 360 by 5 mil, there will still be this argument. And it will probably just start up again once the 720 and PS4 is released. Oh well, I suppose. That's just how the world turns.
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Totally agree.
I demand a logical explanation from some folks on how Sony can overship / stuff the channels for 5 quarters in a row (since the slim). My guess is I won't be getting any responses.
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Don't think Sony is over-shipping, but MS needs to ship more. I think shipped figures can be misleading because the 360 sold a lot better then MS expected last fall, and shipped 360's aren't much more then units sold.
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MS, just like Sony, can only ship as much as retailers are willing to buy. Now, there may have been 360 shortages in early Jan for America, but if VGCs numbers are any indication, it looks like they have sorted them out in the past few weeks.
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VGC says Sony shipped 2.30 million more PS3's in 2010 then 360's, but the difference in units sold is 790k. Shortages started mid december, and MS asked retailers to sell their January/February stock in order to meet holiday demands. Thus the week ending January 1st we already see shortages significant;y affecting sales.
MS can only ship as much as retailers are willing to buy, correct, but if they can't ship as many units as retailers request, then the difference in the number of units shipped will be misleading.
Sony outshipping 360's despite not selling as many PS3 units can only be attributed to two factors. An expected major jump in hardware (1.5 million if they were to sell as many units in relation to units shipped as MS), or MS experiencing shortages. Since MS specifically have outspoken and sent a message to reatialers about shortages, and seeing the holidays ending, I think the second case is in reality whats happening.
So if you add 1.5 million (as stated above, the difference in the number of PS3's shipped - sold compared to MS) to the number of shipped 360's. Then the shipped difference would be 4.38 million, which would imply MS is growing the gap between the 360 and PS3, and this is verified by stronger 360 hardware sales, despite the ongoing shortage (MS said until at least February, 360's will still be seeing shortages).
