Gears 2 passes Gears 1 Party time!

[Michael-5]

snakenobi said:

Michael-5 said:

When I say "If Gears were more polished" I mean if they had more time for testing and removed glitches. In Gears 1 Host has a clear advantage, and people "crab walk" all time time. You could also leave the map via some glitches so some games just never ended. In Gears 2 host has a smaller advantage, but it's still there, and crab walking and leaving maps is still a problem. The only big difference is that ranked matches were now made in random rooms so there was no team stacking.

Gears of War 2 could have easily broken 7 million if they incorporated host-migration. Too many games have dropped because the host quit, and host migration was present in games like CoD and Halo for a long time before this games.

As for Red Dead, considering that it runs off the GTA Engine (Havok engine right?), I knew it would do well from the start. I'm not a fan of westerns, but I knew this game would at least get 5 million combined.

As for Agent, I don't think there is any chance this game will sell 6 million or more units. All thats out so far is a title and a description. Remember, other then Gran Turismo 5, the only PS3 exclusive to break 5 million is MGS4, and it only just passed 5 million now.

Agent could do 4 million, a lot of quality PS3 games are getting 4 million now (Uncharted 2, LBP, and FF XIII), but anything above that, on the PS3, don't think so. Software just doesn't sell that well on the PS3, the audience is too diverse.

And I think your giving this game too much credit. The star game of PS3's lineup is Uncharted 3. Agent may be awesome, but an unknow title from Rockstar won't just come in and outsell Sony's star performer. Also I can't picture Rockstar making Agent their best game after GTA. I think it will be more of a niche game.

As for L.A. Noire, I really doubt either console version will get over 3 million. Look at the American Pre-Orders, they are low, and the game is suppose to be like Heavy Rain, which only sold 1.5 million.

Still your entitled to your opinion, so I can't say your wrong. It's opinion. We won't know who is right until at earliest 2012.

BTW, I think Gears 3 has a shot for 7 million. What do you think?

i agree there were problems but it isn't like just becaus ea game has this feature the game will sell well.

the people who liked or felt like buying it,bought it.they experienced the glitches.

now those people who were never going to buy it never knew about these things.

 

its like saying killzone adds a feature and it will outsell COD or Forza adds a feature,it will outsell GT.its not going to happen.

"As for Red Dead, considering that it runs off the GTA Engine (Havok engine right?), I knew it would do well from the start."

i really don't get the meaning out of it,just because it ran on RAGE engine it isn't supposed to sell well just because of that

your comparisions really don't work.

why are you comparing MGS4 sales when MGS games have always sold in the 5m range.

 

Uncharted 2 even though not a mega-franhise sold 4m and will do alot more.LBP which again a new ip with small name and had not that great initial sales went on to do 4m.FF13 even without any advertising did 4m and you don't think AGENT will do more than them even when AGENT will have the main spotlight,advertsing and push plus Rockstar North and Houser brothers name on it..

 

i never said ROCKSTAR would make AGENT their top game.you take things out of context and add alot of offtopic stiff,please stop doing that.

and how the hell is Uncharted the STAR performer?

Uncharted is big but nowhere near the bigwigs.

and unknown title that is great and interesting can come in and outsell alot of things.

again please stop making comparisions like Heavy rain and la noire.

La noire should sell around 2m each on both platforms.

 

"Look at the American Pre-Orders, they are low,"

how many games have had small pre-orders and went onto sell big time,alot of them.

 

i too think gears has a shot at 7m but i am doubting because of some factors like:

COD being the biggest thing now.

Halo going against COD didn't do through the roof numbers which it would have done without COD.

360 diversifying its userbase with casual crowd.

My point about Gears isn't as extreme as Killzone. I think Gears 3 could break 7 million because it's had 50% more time in development. Thats a completly reasonable belief.

My point about Red Dead was that it sold well because it was based off GTA. It's essentially a Western GTA. Everyone who has ever tried to convince me to get this game has told me "Western GTA." Thats why it sold. No none GTA games made by Rockstar have ever sold too strongly. Max Payne was the next best, and I don't see how you assume it will be bigger then that.

My comparision with MGS5 is that not many PS3 exclusives break 5 million, and the only ones that have were well established old franchises.

Uncharted 2 even though not a mega-franhise sold 4m and will do alot more.LBP which again a new ip with small name and had not that great initial sales went on to do 4m.FF13 even without any advertising did 4m and you don't think AGENT will do more than them even when AGENT will have the main spotlight,advertsing and push plus Rockstar North and Houser brothers name on it..

Uncharted 2 got ratings of 9.5-9.8, and was largely seen as the first "must have" PS3 game. It was released just after the PS3 Slim, and esentially marked the turning point when PS3 started to get more polished games then the 360. It was also based on a 2 million selling franchise at the time. LBP was a new IP in 2008, it's 2011 now, the market is different, new IP's don't attach as well. Mod Nation Racers, InFamous, Heavy Rain, all 9/10 PS3 exclusive new IP's which sold under 2 million. Final Fantasy XIII sold 2 million (40% attach rate!) in Japan, and it's based of probably the most established JRPG franchise.

So no I don't think Agent will sell better then that. How do you know Agent will be heavily advertized? Bully had the Rockstar name on it and it only sold 800k on the PS3. You can't assume Agent will be some mega franchise. It could sell 5 million, but I highly doubt any more that that and for all we know at E3 this game will go multiplatform like FFXIII did.

If Agent sells over 5 million it will be Sony's best selling exclusive title. Thats not out of context, and I just don't see that happening. Uncharted 3 is the PS3 Star performer because it's their best selling franchise after GT, has a high rating history, and it's become their primary holiday game. Killzone and LBP2 are spring titles, and Resistance, TM, and The Last Guardian just wont be as big.

"Look at the American Pre-Orders, they are low,"

how many games have had small pre-orders and went onto sell big time,alot of them.

Other then Wii games, the only game that comes to mind here is Uncharted 2. Could you name me some other games with weak pre-orders selling extremely well?

As for Gears 3, I think it could break 7 million. Good point about CoD, but Gears of War is a very different game, hopefully CoD won't affect Gears sales too much. Looking at Pre-Orders, Gears 3 is seeing very very strong numbers, so I'm hopful as Gears and Mass Effect are my favorite current gen franchises.