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@rolstoppable like you said before it all depends on your perspective. Hell yeah im downplaying those "fantastic" games. Because I dont believe they are fantastic. THere not doing anything that i have not done years ago on Genesis and SNES. As for the DL games on PSN/Live I already said I enjoy some of those more than some of the full scale Wii games. If you dont like my opinion thats fine. "reality", i love how some of you guys talk about the other consoles and you dont even own them. So in "reality" you really dont have any idea what they offer. YOu know what for the hell i think im going to compile a list of Wii 2d platformers vs. LIVE/PSN ones just to see who offers more. If im wrong then ill be the first to let you know im eating crow.