When do you think ps3 will outsell 360

[Michael-5]

Scoobes said:

Michael-5 said:

Ah sorry, it was a typo. I was wondering what you were talking about.

Also I want to retract my comment on Mass Effect 2. It will be great on the PS3 and now I'm starting to hear rumors that the PS3 version gets most of the DLC for free with their copy of Mass Effect 2. To be honest, right now all we have are rumors, so I shouldn't have argued a rumor, and a bold one at that.

I still think it will be a better game on the 360 because a) it's based on the Mass Effect 1 engine, which was a game published by Microsoft and specifically designed for the 360, so it will simply run better on the 360. Don't get me wrong, PS3 and 360 are both powerful systems, but they are powerful in different ways (better textures and higher processing power on the 360, better multi tasking and bus speed on the PS3). So porting a game over may still make the game 95% as good on the PS3, but if you have both consoles, or a gaming quality PC, get it on PC>360>PS3.

b) Obviously the continued story from ME1, you just can't make players watch a long cinematic and then have them make decisions, it's not as good.

Also as for this extra 6 hour long campaign, I've heard about it, but we really dunno anything about it. I really doubt it won't come out for 360/PC because why would Bioware deny faithful ME fans full the full ME experience? We can't judge anything on rumors.

That said ME2 on PS3, will be phenominal, and I encourage ALL WRPG fans to pick up a copy. This is probably my favorite RPG of all time.

3. Gears 1 is not available of GFWL, but I beleive it's available on the 360 as a digital download (so sales should be higher then hardcopy sales).

Still I agree with the rest of your statement. It's worthy to note that a lot of the 360/XB console exclsuves do get ported to PC later. Halo 2 was released on PC months before Halo 3 was released, so I still count that as an XB exclusive, Gears of War 1 came out 1 year later on PC, and I know Fable 3 has a delayed PC release too.

Also, for your last statement here, be honest, how many gamers do you think have a gaming quality PC? If you have a gaming quality PC, 360 is probably the poorest choice for a console, but gaming quality PC's aren't free. Personally I'd rather have a Wii/360 then a high end gaming quality PC, and a Wii or a PS3.

A console exclusive is still some form of exclusive, just like Battlefield Bad Company 1 is an exclusive to consoles (no PC version right?) If for some reason there was a Wii/PS3 exclusive, it would still be a pro PS3 factor when comparing HD consoles.

I agree on ME2. It runs on UE3 which generally runs better on 360 and the games were designed with 360 in mind, so I would suspect the game will run somewhat better on 360 than on PS3.

 

On the PC issue, I think you'd be suprised, (going off of yearly GPU sales) just how many actually have a gaming quality PC. Of course, not all are going to be used for games, but not every gaming capable PC is going to need a yearly GPU upgrade (unless you're loaded with cash).

I'm also going to add that I think there is a difference between "gaming capable" and "gaming quality". I think there are many gaming capable PCs out there that can run multiplat games, but with lower graphics settings. For instance, my friend owns a mid-range Mac from 2 yrs ago, yet uses it to run Windows and multiplatform games like Bioshock, Call of Duty 4 and Mirror's Edge. He didn't buy it for the sole purpose of playing games, but as he has a gaming capable computer and uses it for that purpose.

I don't think he's alone in this. Many will buy a PC and have gaming low on the priority list but will still be able to play and are willing to make the graphical sacrifice. I was like this until this generation to be honest where I started to take note of my PCs hardware.

I would also point out that Steam has 30 million active users now, and Starcraft 2 has sold 3 million (in its first month I think?). That's only a small proportion of the overall PC userbase. Basically, I think there are a lot of gaming capable PCs and it does make a difference. In fact, part of the reason MS does the timed exclusivity (and full for the Halo & Gears games now) is beacuse PC sales would eat int the 360 sales in more PC centric markets.

It's still going to be amazing on the 360! Also Unreal Tournament 3 plays better on PS3, so you never know. The difference will not be to the point where PS3 fans should turn down the game. Pick it up guys, It's honestly my favorite RPG.

On people with gaming quality PC's. Be honest, how many gamers will pirate their copies? I know a lot of people have a PC capable of playing current gen games, but how many people can play them with the same level of graphics as console owners (I know some PC gamers can blow my mind out, I've seen ME2 and Crysis on max, wow)? wait nvm you adressed that too. Still I think a good portion of PC gamers only have a gaming capable PC (like me), and a lot of PC gamers play pirated copies of games. A pirated copy is not the same as a purchased copy..

As for people who have gaming capable PC's, Desktops will always be gaming capable with a proper graphics card, but what about people who only own laptops. Laptops are continuously becoming more popular among PC owners. Within a few year laptops become too old to play modern games, even on my 2 year old laptop I struggle with Borderlands, and I don't match the minimum for Crysis (just barely do it for Gears).

Also 30 million Steam accounts. I had an inactive Steam account for about 5 years, how many people do you think have a Steam account, but don't use it?

I know there are a lot of PC gamers out there, I would just think games like GTA, or Call of Duty are just not popular among PC gamers, thats why these types of games sell maybe 1 to 10 games compared to console games. RPG's like Fable, or Mass Effect maybe bring that up to 1:2, other RPG's Dragon Age, and Elder Scrolls probably get 1:1, and then strategy games like Starcraft, Warcraft, or Diablo still do amazing on PC.

So my point being, when a game like MechWarrior comes out for 360 and it's a console exclusive, I bet at least 70% of sales are 360, and of those 30% PC sales, how many own a PS3? Maybe 10%? Console exclsuive still means something, especially when comparing consoles to one another. If I went to the store without owning a PS3/360, and didn't have a high end PC, they would affect my desision. Even if I had a gaming capable PC, the ability to play GTA without bugs, that appeals to me.

The only problem is, most 360/PC games, are not big exclusives. Okay Fable 3 is big, bu after that what 360/PC exclusive is big? Splinter Cell Conviction? that game only sold 1.5 million, would that really push that many consoles. Weather it's a console exclusive or PC/console exclusive, these types of games don't really push much.

So I still think console exclusives still count when comparing PS3's and 360's exclusive lineup. Unless the game is ported over from the PC, or gets sub 5/10 scores (like Nintey Nine Knights 2 and FFXIV).