Gay refugees, does YOUR country welcome them?

[Kantor]

Scruff7 said:

Kantor said:

Homer_Simpson said:

and if they are children? you gonna start child labour camps for refugees purely because they werent born here?

not to mention that you cant just say "oy refugee, fuck off and get a job", really isnt that simple, there arent that many jobs atm for a start...

and if you need them in the UK you can get housing benefit, the NHS is free to access for everyone...

You're deliberately misunderstanding me.

Firstly, how many children are going to run away from war-torn countries and come to Britain?

Secondly, children have to be in school by law. This is applied to everyone in the country. I have no issue with this whatsoever. Indeed, I think schooling should be compulsory until 18.

Thirdly, a British or non-British legally residential adult in Britain is expected to work. Therefore, a refugee or legal or illegal immigrant should also be expected to work. And yes, I have just as much of an issue with British citizens who are able to work, but don't.

Fourthly, there are plenty of jobs. Refugees probably aren't looking for jobs as managing directors of London banks. Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.

Housing benefit absolutely should exist. It should be available to all people who put in a hard day's work and don't get back enough to provide for themselves and their families.

Oh, and the NHS isn't free in any way, shape or form. Just because you don't pay for your surgery, medicine and doctoral visits doesn't mean you're not paying for the NHS. Everyone who works pays for the NHS in tax.

So, to sum up my views:

• We have no great responsibility to accept refugees. When it boils down, they are illegal immigrants.
• The above is not to say that we shouldn't accept refugees, only that acepting refugees is an altruism in itself.
• Refugees should not be paid for by the British workforce. Sorry, we're not paying for you to live in this country. You chose to move here.
• A refugee, or indeed any resident, who is working but cannot afford to take care of themselves/their family should be given aid.
• A refugee, or indeed any resident, who can work but refuses work should not be given aid.
• This last bit may sound horrible and BNP-ish. But, a refugee who is unable to work really has no place moving to this country.

I am not against legal immigration. I am not against benefits for those who need them. I am not against even illegal immigration in a time of desperation when the immigrant can contribute something to the country. At the end of the day, this is a country with an enormous deficit, not a huge number of jobs, a lot of mess and a government which refuses to ever change anything. It's no safe haven. We have our own problems.

And on that pleasant note, OP, feel free to move here. But please get a job when you do.

I think there are some miss-understandings in your post which are pretty standard amongst the UK population and furthered by miss-representation in the tabloid press such as the Sun, News of the World and Daily Mail.

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to assistance. they are not entitled to work either. they cannot claim benefits or request assistance from Councils or health services. If services are provided to them, the public sector service would be fined.

Asylum seekers (refugees) are also not entitled to any of the above and must remain within approved locations and areas until their case has been heard by the immigration services.

The asylum seeker has to prove their life was in danger if they had remained in their country of origin and that if they returned home they would be likely to be killed or faced torture. They also have to prove they are not wanted for an international crime, or human rights violation (e.g. if they were responsible for mass murder in their country of origin, they would not be allowed to remain in the UK).

If they are granted asylum, then they are permitted some benefits, such as going on the housing register, health, legal support and work permits, but would then also be expected to pay taxes. If they wish to remain indefinitely and have all the rights of a UK citizen, then they have to take the Citizenship test.

If they commit crimed while in the UK, then they have a good chance of being deported.

That's the letter of the law, yes, but Labour was completely useless at enforcing that, and our very own Deputy Prime Minister wanted to give all illegal immigrants complete amnesty. They're not entitled to anything, but they get everything.

Of course, legal immigration, which includes legal immigration due to refugee status, is fine.

And for the record, I wouldn't touch News of the World, the Daily Mail or the Sun with a ten-kilometre pole.