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superchunk on 21 September 2010
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Khuutra said:
superchunk said:


1-7 - we simply see the game differently and it boils down to #8.

8: You misinterpreted my point. I suggested that people with your arguments wanted that "tough bitch" and because she is not, that is the issue. I think the former is a bad stereotype and Samus' more feminine characterization based on her back story fits the overall idea of Samus just fine. After all a "tough bitch" wouldn't have let the baby Metroid survive in the first place. That action demonstrates her motherly compassion that is outside of the regular soldier ideology. A "tough bitch" wouldn't wear a skin tight zero suit with long flowing blond hair.

Her legacy has always been about her amazing warrior skills and capabilities combined with the fact that in the end she is a woman. To remove her potential feminine-ness or call that weak is a stereotypical sexist argument.

After all, its not like she was prancing around asking for others to help because she is too scared. She was running and gunning in every cut-scene except the breakdown moment. That in itself is the only moment I will grant you a complete reversal of her identity and should have been cut.

4. No. You don't get to handwave this one. Go back. Read it. Respond to it.

8. Your point is moot; I didn't wnat a "tough bitch" portrayal of Samus at all, and your strawman has undermined anything you wanted to say in this regard.

"The word he used - outsider - pierced my heart."

There is nothing intrinsically feminine about her portrayal. That's what makes it so problematic. She's not intrinsically feminine, she's weak in a way that's incongruous with prior portrayals of her character.

4. I consider it part of the Metroid genre. You always lose everything and gain it back. No different here. The mechanism is just as silly in both instances, at least this one in regards to weaponry makes sense.

8. "The word he used - outsider - pierced my heart." - proves my initial point. She states over and over in the game that he is someone of very high importance in her life and is striving for his approval. Regardless if that is irrational or not it fits the story line presented perfectly and does nothing to remove her soldier capabilities at all except that people irrationally see feminine actions as weak.

Her character before this was not specifically ever portrayed beyond doing her job. So, you can't argue that nothing portrayed her as feminine previously as nothing has ever portrayed her in any other way either.

All this game did was bring up a sore and emotional situation for her that she obviously still hadn't gotten over to the point of satisfaction and she then worked hard throughout the game to create this acceptance that in the end wasn't even required based on Adam's own words.