Why does Sony fail at making another mega franchise?

[Michael-5]

CGI-Quality said:

Michael-5 said:

CGI-Quality said:

Michael-5 said:

CGI-Quality said:

Activision doesn't own Bungie. I'd suggest paying close attention before claiming someone needs to get their facts straight.

And, look up what terms? Doesn't matter who an owned IP is developed by, it's still considered an in-house title if it is owned by the manufacturer. Nobody else can do anything with it. Sure, many of these IPs are developed by an outside studio. But Team Ninja developed Other: M, 3rd party developed, 1st party IP. Same goes for titles such as resistance, Halo (now), and inFAMOUS.

Bungie signed a 10 year publishing deal with Activision Blizzard this year you know that? They also separated from Microsoft. Activision doesn't own Bungie, but neither does Microsoft. After Reach 343 Studios is taking over Halo development, and Bungie is working on a new IP, to be published by Activision Blizzard, for both the PS3 and 360.

I do my research, Activision doesn't own Bungie, but Bungie is independent and on a 10 year publishing contract with them.

As for 2nd and third party, your mixing up the terms. Go look them up. Halo: Reach is technically second party now, same with Resistance, Gears of War, and Pokemon :O!

You should really keep watch of the contradictions because you just said that Activision owned Bungie. And yes, I know all about their ten-year partnership (which still doesn't mean ownership).

Also, I'm not the one mixing anything up. Halo is a 1st party IP, period. Resistance is 1st party. Gears of War is a 3rd party IP that Microsoft publishes (same case with HEAVY RAIN regarding Sony). There really is no "2nd Party", although the terminology is used from time to time by Sony.

Okay well sorry about saying Activision owns Bungie, what I wanted to focus on was that Bungie has gone independant from Microsoft. So if they made a future Halo game (which they won't), then it would be 2nd party.

Halo up to ODST is 1st Party, Halo Reach is 2nd Party, Resistance is 2nd Party since Sony does not own Insomniac, Gears is 2nd Party, and so is Heavy Rain.

Look up under Wikipedia, there is a difference between 2nd and 3rd party developers. Remedy for example (makers of Heavy Rain), are second party, Game Freak (Pokemon) second Party, Level-5 is a second party developer for multiple consoles. There is a difference. Left 4 Dead is third party, developed and published by someone else then Microsoft, significantly different from Alan Wake. Valve can release Left 4 Dead for PS3 if they choose too, but Remedy cannot have Sony publish a PS3 version of Alan Wake.

P.S. Resistance retribution was developed and published by Sony, thats a 1st party resistance game.

Oh dear, there's a TON wrong here.

a. HEAVY RAIN is owned by a 3rd party dev called Quantic Dream. The IP is only published by Sony, but still 3rd party.

b. Wiki? Really? You know they tend to be rather inaccurate themselves, correct?

c. An IP doesn't change it's status between iterations, no matter who the developer is, unless the company who owns it is picked up by another company. Otherwise, Halo 3 ODST, Halo: Reach....Halo whatever, are all 1st party, all owned by Microsoft.

d. Gears of War is NOT 2nd Party, it is 3rd, published by Microsoft. HEAVY RAIN is NOT 2nd party, it is 3rd, published by Sony. Resistance (sounding like a broken record now) is Sony's IP. It's 1st party, no matter who develops it.

At this point, you're doing more harm to your argument than good.

a.I did not know that, does that mean Heavy Rain may end up being released on the 360, like Mass Effect 2 did for PS3? (P.S. I did say I don't know wheather Heavy Rain was 2md or third party remember?)

b.Just suggested it to show you a list of second party devs.

c. Halo is a 1st party franchise, I agree, but since Bungie has separated from MS for a short period of development time on Reach, it's technically a 2nd party game. Just an interesting fact.

d. Resistance, developed by Insomniac is 2nd party. Sony owns the IP, but not the developer. dunno who owns the Gears IP, I really think MS owns it, and that would make it second party. I don't like how people say Resistance is 1st or 2nd party, but Gears isn't. It's in the same situation, Insomniac is developing a multiplatform title now you know?

How am I doing any harm to my point? I'm not saying anything wrong. Eiash, your so harsh.