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highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:
highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:
highwaystar101 said:

Well, no. That was just my way of saying that I never bought into the Bible, or even the idea of a personal God, full stop.

I mean fair enough you can say "Oh it's allegorical, you aren't supposed to take it literally, you are supposed to see it as symbolic" and I can see where a non-literalist will see the flaw in my reasoning with the examples I've given. But some things that I find unbelievable have to be accepted under the definition of a practising Christian, such as a personal God being the sole creator of the Universe, or Jesus being the son of this personal God.

Literalists and non-literalists alike have to accept these as a pillars of Christianity, they are Universal, and these too are things that I find unbelievable.

may i ask why?

If you mean the first half of my last paragraph, it's because that's the way a theism works. People can be literalists or non-literalists on the same theism, but they still have the same core beliefs.

If you mean the latter half of my last paragraph, it's always struck me that the idea of a personal God is fairly absurd in my opinion. There's so many that I think none of them can be correct. I guess by that I fit the definition of "most people are atheists to all Gods but one, but some of us just go one God further".

That and I see the idea of a God at all being full of endless paradoxes.


But all people believe in the same God. (im talking about 3 major non-pagan religions) They just have diffrent cultures and diffrent book and worhsip him in the other way. Muslims call him ''Allah'', Christians simply call him God, I dont know how Jews call it lol. But its basiclly the same God. They just have diffrent stories

Do Hindus fit into this category? There are about one billion of them and they don't believe in the Abrahamic God. How about Buddhists? There's nearly half a billion Buddhists. How about people who follow traditional religions (Chinese traditional and African traditional)? There's another half a billion of them. How about those who consider themselves not to be part of organised religion? There's well over a billion of them.

Even using my rough figures you can see that there's 3billion people who don't believe in the God of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. They have many Gods, other Gods or no Gods.

Not all people believe in the same God, I think that the God followed by these three religions is one that has become most popular, most likely down solely due to the structure of the religions themselves.

And to be honest, iIf I wanted to be really pedantic I could also look at past populations and show you how other popular religions once had followers comparable (percentage wise) to the level that Islam  or Christianity do today. I can look at Greek gods, Norse gods, Roman Gods, Egyptian gods, etc... But I don't have the time.

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Also, population sizes mean nothing.  A major God and a minor God have the same standing when you look at them objectively, regardless of the populations that follow them. Both gods would have equal standing.

For example, in the 17th century the vast majority of people (99.9% ) accepted the Geocentric model of the solar system, and only an extremely small minority accepted the Heliocentric model. The fact that 99% of people accepted the geocentric model didn't mean that it was correct, we now know that the tiny minority of people were correct. And belief in a God follows the same logic.


Is Buddisam even a religion? I always thought it was a lifestyle. How can people call it religion when there is no higher force or God in it? And i mentioned in my post that i was talking about 3 MAJOR religons ( major as in, they are the most succesful ones trought the world), so hinduisam is not included, since hindus live mostly in India. You might say ''but the only country with the jewish religion is Israel and the population isnt even that big threre'' and yes, that is true but there are a lot more jews outside of Israel than Hindus out of India (correct me if i am wrong on this one)... anyway, i wasnt disagreeing with your post or trying to start a debate, i was just saying that all 3 Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, they just call it diffrently and worhsip him in the other way