trestres said:
I don't believe in the Christian God, I believe there's a trascendental being which has eternally existed and which is the source of all existing things. How are science and philosophy contradicting themselves here? God creates the universe, he is not part of it.
OK. I was arguing against a position that you didn't actually hold, sorry. I do think your idea of God is compatible with the universe. Open question: do you see any evidence for this being?
The fact that you are blinded by your bias will make this conversation useless. I mean you are discarding every piece of proof your own brain puts in front of you. You are contradicting yourself. Try opening yourself and read those 5 arguments properly, you will realize that what is presented there is completely rational and logic. Science doesn't have all the answers.
I don't want to write paragraphs about each, but I'm perfectly willing to discuss one or two in depth. Pick the strongest and I'll do a longer analysis. As arguments go I think they are weak because, even if the logic is correct, it doesn't help us deduce what God is or why we should declare a belief in him.
I believe science is useful because it has yet to encounter anything it cannot hope to explain (miracles). If one presented itself then I would re-examine my belief in science as a good tool.
And you are aknowledging theres an entity we can label God.
In brief: All 1-3 show is that an entity created the universe. Not whether it is an intelligent being. 4 shows that there is a greatest being, but not that it's the same one that created the universe. And 5 is its own very long story which I will expand on if you ask.
Anyways arguing over the internet is quite difficult. You can have your stance, but you haven't got proof either, so no one could ever be correct here.
Of course. You argue well, though, and I'm enjoying this.
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